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Para aqueles que não estão familiarizados com o ARES SCR, é um receptor menor que tem um sistema de buffer semelhante a uma espingarda semi automática. Confira a revisão de James Reeve. O raciocínio para isso é ajudar aqueles em estados restritivos têm uma opção que não é uma ação da Nike Swoosh ou sistema operado manualmente.

NY Compliant Nike Swoosh estoque.

O ARES SCR é compatível com uppers normais de AR. O que foi postado como a Foto do Dia foi enganado com um sistema de trilho de flutuação livre, supressor, Spectre Elcan, luz SureFire Raid M720 e uma unidade de laser DBAL.

Na verdade parece bem legal, bem feito.

Isto tem mais de um & # 8220; tradicional & # 8221; olhe para isto. Talvez alguns veteranos olhem de maneira diferente para os rifles AR agora.

Na verdade, eles provavelmente ficariam mortificados pela revista quad rail e pela capacidade padrão, e encarariam a coisa toda como um aborto blasfemo. Contanto que tenha móveis de madeira e uma revista de descarga, alguns deles podem dar um passe de má vontade.

Se eu fosse comprar um semiauto, seria isso. Isso é simplesmente incrível.

Eles ainda vão ficar bravos porque não há uma alavanca nisso.

Eu acho que esse rifle causaria menos danos nas mãos de um terrorista do que um AR-15 normal.

Não se preocupe. Eles virão depois das semi-automáticas "sniper / tradicional / de caça", porque todos sabemos que caçar e comer produtos de origem animal também é um mal.

Que eles vão, meu irmão trabalha para um senador estadual em Minnesota e eles estavam falando sobre o alcance de escopos. Felizmente tudo o que foi foi falar, mas vai mostrar o que eles vão depois.

Eles já vieram depois destes, em Massachusetts. Nosso Procurador Geral decidiu que todos os fuzis semi-automáticos são armas de assassinato em massa, e está tentando impor o “AWB & # 8221; para dizer que qualquer rifle que tenha "operação similar" & # 8221; para um AR15 é proibido. Esse termo geral inclui qualquer semi automático.

Eu acho que ela está tentando isso como um estratagema para marcar pontos políticos para Hillary nomeá-la para o seu gabinete após a eleição. Mas de qualquer maneira, dê uma olhada no MA, onde os democratas estão experimentando suas idéias de proibição / confisco de armas hoje.

É errado que eu queira um?

Eu não penso assim.

Há alguns online com móveis de madeira e eles parecem estranhamente sexy.

Se querer um está errado, eu não quero estar certo.

Eu sou o Texan e ainda quero um Ares SCR, há algo indiscutivelmente sexy sobre um rifle tradicionalmente abastecido, mas ainda politicamente incorreto, como a polícia especial Remington Model 8, a Remington 7615 ou uma Mauser com uma trincheira mag.

Eu quero um em madeira. Eu costumava passar pela fábrica da ARES em Ohio o tempo todo quando fui pescar nas proximidades.

Sim, estou realmente cavando. Eu posso ter que rastrear um para baixo :-).

Sim. Eu tenho o 7615 polícia & amp; é um rifle de bomba foda !!

É bom querer um ou ter a opção, mas não porque é um trabalho por causa de políticos estúpidos!

Bem-vindo ao meu pesadelo do estado de NY!

Eu quero um porque acho que os apertos de pistola são feios.

Pelo menos eles são confortáveis.

& # 8230; e eu quero uma arma com uma peça chamada "cauda de rato" & # 8221 ;.

Os FALs de estoque fixo foram projetados para usar um sistema como esse.

Esses Políticos podem parecer estúpidos para você, mas asseguro-lhes que sabem exatamente o que estão fazendo, e o objetivo é o desarmamento sistemático da América, para que eles possam ter controle total.

Eles apenas continuam desbastando o 2A e, a menos que alguém leve a sério a interrupção, ele continuará até que não possamos fazer nada para detê-los.

Assista aos "Jogos Vorazes" # 8221; para ver seu objetivo final.

Sempre olhe para a lógica real por trás de tais leis, a Segurança Pública não tem nada a ver com isso. A segurança do político tem tudo a ver com isso.

Todos do lado direito desta e de outras questões precisam realmente prestar atenção. Eles estão contando com você não prestando atenção!

Eles amam as pessoas estúpidas porque pessoas estúpidas têm uma coisa em comum. ELES NÃO PAGAM A ATENÇÃO!

O Partido Democrata é o Partido das Pessoas Idiotas, por que você acha que eles estão tentando eleger Hildegard que mentiria sobre a cor de sua unha polonesa! Eles só poderiam conseguir isso com pessoas que acreditarão no que lhes dizem. IE: pessoas que não prestam atenção.

há alguns políticos que querem tirar o 2A, mas a maioria é apenas Dumb Sheep e segue a linha do partido. eles não e nunca pensaram em nada. os eleitores e a maioria dos políticos são apenas fantoches para os líderes partidários.

Mag mudanças podem ser um pouco mais lentas, mas eu poderia trabalhar com isso. Você pode fazer devido, se você precisar. É triste que isso não seja permitido pela lei de massas. Estou contente por viver em um estado livre, mas se o preço mais baixo for barato, eu provavelmente escolheria um para aprender o sistema.

Eu gosto disso. Eu até gosto do swoosh olhando também.

Eu segurei o Swoosh (Thordsen) e achei surpreendentemente confortável. Eu teria comprado um se tivesse ficado em CA.

Heck, é comprar um de qualquer maneira, exceto eu tenho prioridades orçamentárias mais elevadas.

Parece bastante ergonómico, especialmente em comparação com algumas das alternativas. O equipamento real M16 / M4 é péssimo IMO.

O swoosh é nojento.

Às vezes você precisa de um pouco de incivilidade para lidar com pessoas não civilizadas e suas declarações e mandatos ridículos.

Eu tenho que dizer isso. Desperdício de um DD RIS II FDE.

Deixe o ódio fluir.

Eles provavelmente acabaram de trocar a parte superior da construção da Sopmod por uma imagem colorida.

Eu compraria um rifle semi-automático magicamente abastecido, alimentado por magias, como um revólver ou um coiote. O problema é que eu não quero um projeto de AR, eu não quero o que é basicamente quando você curte um M16 mais neutro. Infelizmente, existem muito poucas armas não AR por aí porque “Inovação? F isso! Aqui, tem um AR-15 superestimado e caro! & # 8221 ;.

Se houvesse deliberadamente projetado para semi-auto rifles em 223 com opções para ações tradicionais, entre outras coisas, eu compraria pelo menos dois. Infelizmente, tudo o que sei que até se aproxima desse critério é o Ruger Mini-14.

Sporter VEPR em 223 deve contar, sim?

Você poderia ir Vepr Pioneer (af pesado), Saiga (banido de importar), Benelli MR1 (wonky e caro), 7615 (não feito mais afaik), ou Mini com um desses objetos de Accustrut.

O problema que eu vejo com todos eles (exceto o Mini) é que você pode obter exatamente a mesma arma em um calibre maior, como .308, 54R ou .30-06 / .35 Whelen e ter um grande jogo muito mais capaz rifle em vez de uma plataforma muito pesada para o .223. Um amigo meu comprou um 5.45 Vepr e reclama do seu peso constantemente, e eu sempre tenho que lembrá-lo de que é culpa dele por comprar um LMG semi-automático e tentar usá-lo como um general. - it-all & # 8221; rifle para arrastar ao redor. O design baseado em AR supera todos em termos de peso, espaço desperdiçado e ergonomia.

Eu tenho um Vepr em 223 e tenho que admitir que é um grande pedaço de aço para o que é, mas é a minha arma divertida. Então, para explodir lebres, gambás, wallabies e cabras (todas as pragas aqui) da parte de trás de um ute ou quad são perfeitos. A explosão lateral do freio de boca e latão que vai 10m é bem divertido para mim mas não ao redor de mim. Eu tenho que dizer que tem que ser um dos AK & acutes mais precisos que eu já usei.

Que tal um Kel-Tec SU16?

Não contém madeira.

Muitos Mini-14s também são de plástico. Se olhares são importantes, você sempre pode fazer o estoque olhar grão de madeira com tinta ou imersão em água.

Possível, embora eu tenha que me perguntar como isso funciona. Quaisquer comentários sobre este lugar?

Odeio admitir isso, mas está crescendo em mim. Pense nisso com um 11.5 & # 8243; barril superior = D.

Faça isso como um carregador lateral e será o filho bastardo do Mini-14 e do M14K.

Com um bom estoque de madeira, ficaria melhor do que um AR normal (o tipo já funciona). Coloque o calibre direito em cima e você terá um rifle de veado sexy.

SOPMOD compatível :

Parece um rifle americano adaptado de desenhos de Wehrmacht capturados de um jogo como Wolfenstein ou Battlefield 1942.

Eu acho que este rifle parece legal, se não por outro motivo, além de ser novo, sarcástico e ainda totalmente funcional. Grande fã dessa coisa, especialmente toda arrumada assim!

Então, isso é compatível com a Califórnia?

Esse equipamento é caro.

Qual é o nome do programa de TV? Pimp My Piece & # 8230;

Se isso fosse um estoque de madeira, seria como um M14 e um M16 tinha um bebê. Meio que cavar o visual.

No ano passado, em 7 de julho de 2015, a TFB exibiu uma Conversão de Ações M1 Garand feita pela Sage International M1GALCS / PMRI, Battle Rifle para Assault Rifle Conversion, com uma revista de 20 rodadas. Também muito legal & # 8230;

Apenas parece bobo com a revista de 30 rounds saindo assim.

O mesmo acontece com uma Mauser de 98k com uma revista Trench de 20 rounds. Mas se você supera o valor de choque, você o encontra ainda atira bem & # 8230;

Eu realmente quero fazer uma compilação com um desses em 6,8 SPC ou 6,5 Grendel para um rifle de veado, só fica caro, já que o portador inferior e parafuso sozinho é de US $ 525.

então, uma versão pesada do Keltec SU16.

Se isso é um com o Slide Catch nele, então seria OK. Eles têm duas versões e uma não tem a captura de slides, nunca descobriu por que eles omitiram essa parte importante da peça?

Tentei obter um para uma revisão-me há um ano e eles me surpreendeu. Ainda não ouvi nada de bom em lidar com a empresa.

Eu vi exatamente uma dessas armas em pessoa nos três anos em que elas saíram e a idéia é boa, mas conseguir um é outra questão.

Bem, eu não conheço ninguém, mas temos um Governador muito bom aqui no Grande Estado do Texas. Seu nome é Greg Abbott e ele é um amante de armas como todo mundo, e lutará para manter nossos direitos de segunda emenda, Amen. Damos as boas-vindas a qualquer um que queira vir, e viva aqui no Texas, e ao HELL com qualquer outro estado que queira doar seus direitos de 2ª emenda, Amen. Deus abençoe a America!

Se DEUS quisesse que um fuzil se parecesse com ele, ele mesmo os teria feito. Desculpe, mas é tudo apenas "aceitar" # 8221; limitações em nossos direitos. Usando o termo "fuzil de assalto" # 8221; descrever semi-auto é uma terminologia anti-gun fabricada pelos meios de comunicação para os grabbers da arma jogar ao redor sovina ou não. Se pareço velha e mal-humorada é porque estou me perguntando o que diabos aconteceu com a América nos últimos 50 anos.

Revisão da Arma: Ruger Mini-14 Tactical em 300 BLK.

O Ruger Mini-14 é um dos principais rifles da Ruger. Projetado primeiramente no final dos anos 1960, como uma versão civil menor do M-14 militar dos EUA, o rifle tem sido usado por gerações de caçadores e atiradores-alvo. Também tem sido destaque em filmes e programas de TV ao longo dos anos. Este rifle era o AR-15 dos anos 1970 e 1980, a arma de fogo semiautomática de escolha & # 8212; e por um bom motivo. Há apenas algo essencialmente americano sobre o visual do Mini-14, e agora a Ruger lançou uma versão no meu calibre favorito: o 300 AAC Blackout. É a manteiga de amendoim incrível no meu chocolate & # 8221; momento que caçadores como eu estavam esperando? . . .

O Mini-14 parece e parece que alguém deixou um M-14 na secadora um pouco longo demais. Todas as peças estão presentes e são contabilizadas incluindo o cabo de carregamento estilizado, apenas um pouco reduzido em tamanho. A arma funciona exatamente da mesma forma que uma M-14 (menos o interruptor de risadinha) ou uma M1 Carbine, mas existem algumas diferenças na qualidade das peças, assim como pequenas alterações de design que diferenciam essa arma de uma fotocópia reduzida da arma militar.

Na frente, o cano é enfiado em um passo 5/8 & # 215; que é razoavelmente padrão para aplicações de 30 calibres. O fuzil vem com um flash escondido no cano, mas isso é facilmente removido, já que Ruger não o encharcou em Loctite antes do embarque. Para aqueles que compram o Mini-14 Tactical em 300 BLK tenho a sensação de que o flash hider está lá mais como um protetor de thread do que qualquer outra coisa antes que o silenciador do usuário final faça uma aparição. Logo atrás do cano há um poste frontal fixo para as miras de ferro permanentemente presas ao cano (mais ou menos).

O receptor é um pouco decepcionante. Meu M1 Garand pode ter me estragado, mas eu me acostumei com a sensação sólida daquela ação bem construída batendo em casa. Com o Mini-14, parece que o receptor é feito de pote de metal em vez de algo substancial. Trabalhar a ação é como bater a porta em um Kia barato & # 8212; parece oco e sem substância.

Parte do problema pode ser o estoque, já que a Ruger usa um material sintético durável para sua linha Tactical de rifles Mini-14, em vez dos estoques de madeira mais grossos usados ​​em seu Rifle Ranch e outras armas na linha. Esse material sintético é mais leve e mais barato, mas também mais fino.

A Ruger envia essas armas com mira de ferro, bem como um sistema de montagem de escopo proprietário já conectado ao receptor. O rifle que recebi veio com um conjunto de anéis de escopo correspondentes, e então eu os usei para ligar o novo escopo do 300 BLK BDC da Nikon à arma para testes. Mas rapidamente me deparei com uma questão importante: os anéis fornecidos são terríveis. Três rodadas em uma sessão de tiro e o alcance já estava solto, não importando o quanto Loctite eu usasse. Isso é realmente decepcionante, já que ter um escopo nesta arma seria muito legal para caçar.

As revistas desta arma são proprietárias. A arma é uma M-14 reduzida, e isso inclui o mecanismo de lançamento da revista estilo AK. A M1 Carbine tinha um lançamento de magazine de botão de pressão na Segunda Guerra Mundial, mas a era M-14 do final dos anos 1950 exigia que o usuário final colocasse a revista no lugar usando um pino na seção frontal do receptor e um lançamento. na parte traseira para evitar que a revista se mova.

Seria muito legal se Ruger tivesse reprojetado a arma para usar as revistas AR-15, muito mais comuns, mas não. As revistas são marcadas com o auxílio de & # 8220; 300 AAC BLACKOUT & # 8221; para garantir que você não vai bater a munição errada na arma errada, mas por outro lado eles são muito normais 5.56 Mini-14 revistas.

Movendo-se para os controles de fogo, eles simplesmente não são bons. O gatilho é tão assustador que até os palhaços o evitam. E acumula tanto que foi contratado para executar os armazéns da Amazon. Não é nada bom, e definitivamente tem um impacto no downrange de precisão. Outra coisa que eu não gosto sobre os controles de incêndio é a segurança do guarda-mato. Eu adoro a ideia e a implementação no M1 Garand, mas no Mini-14 o mesmo design parece muito barato e frágil.

A desmontagem é basicamente idêntica à M14, mas com alguns bônus extra adicionais.

Então, o que temos aqui é o equivalente de armas de fogo de um Fiat Panda. Mas, embora possa parecer um pouco decepcionante olhar para as partes sozinhas, uma vez que você carregue a arma, é uma boa ideia atirar.

Fora do alcance, a pistola dispara a munição supersônica e subsônica de 300 BLK sem quaisquer problemas. Eu tentei tanto com e sem um silenciador (antes de Tyler matar minha lata com um ataque de defletor) e a arma funcionava perfeitamente. O único problema que encontrei foi o que já mencionei: os anéis do osciloscópio são terríveis. A boa notícia é que existem toneladas de opções de pós-venda disponíveis, incluindo trilhos Picatinny que você pode adicionar à arma que prende nas bases de escopo existentes ou até mesmo nos anéis de escopo do mercado de reposição. Então, enquanto os anéis fornecidos são terríveis, você deve ser capaz de obter alguns bons e realmente esticar as pernas da arma.

Disparar a arma é muito divertido. O estoque sintético é projetado para miras de ferro, portanto, se você deixar o escopo em casa, a solda da face estará bem sólida na arma. O estoque vem com uma almofada de recuo de borracha para absorver um pouco do chute aumentado das rodadas de 300 BLK, e o resultado é uma arma que é francamente divertida de atirar. Especialmente com uma lata no final.

Como a Eagle Eye Munition (nosso patrocinador oficial de munição) ainda não produz munição de 300 AAC Blackout, eu tive que encontrar um substituto. Eu testei a arma (usando somente mira de ferro, já que o telescópio não era confiável) a 50 jardas usando algumas cargas de 300 BLK disponíveis comercialmente, e o seguinte é o melhor grupo de 5 rodadas que eu poderia reunir,

Ruger em si coloca a precisão do Mini-14 em cerca de 2 MoA. Fora em 50 metros, com as vistas de ferro fornecidas, o melhor que eu poderia reunir foi de cerca de 5 MoA. Não há muita coisa para comparar isso com outras armas de maçãs com maçãs, já que fazemos a maioria dos nossos testes com escopos, mas considero que os meus passatempos habituais incluem colocar 5.56 rondas da OTAN através de um alvo do tamanho de um dólar de prata. com um M-16 com mira de ferro. Em pé. De improviso. Em 200 jardas.

Ainda assim, isso não é muito ruim considerando o uso pretendido.

A maioria das pessoas com quem conversei sobre o rifle acha que ele se encaixa perfeitamente em um nicho muito específico: o canhão de caminhão. O rifle é apenas barato o suficiente para que você possa concebivelmente jogá-lo na parte de trás do seu veículo, juntamente com algumas revistas e esquecê-lo "# 8212; até que você precisava para atirar em algo. A ação no Mini-14 pode parecer Kia-esque, mas o sistema de gás de curso curto e haste de operação robusta significa que você está chegando perto dos níveis de confiabilidade AK-47. E enquanto a precisão não é estelar, isso é mais do que suficiente para dar voltas em um cervo por comida & # 8212; ou um humano para defesa pessoal.

É um brinquedo legal, mas em comparação com a concorrência, ele realmente não se compara. CMMG oferece um rifle de 300 BLK para quase exatamente o mesmo MSRP, mas sua arma tem um handguard keymod, trilho de Picatinny de comprimento total, estoque ajustável e leva padrão 30 revistas de rodada. Nesse ponto, o Mini-14 realmente não faz sentido financeiramente & # 8212; você obtém muito mais com o rifle CMMG, e o Mini-14 não oferece nenhuma melhoria em troca.

Não há dúvida de que esta é uma arma incrivelmente divertida para atirar e que funcionaria bem, mas eu não estou vendendo. Eu amo que a Ruger está expandindo o cartucho de 300 AAC BLK para mais armas, mas este é um caso em que o resultado final ainda é uma arma de fogo medíocre. Construções baratas AR-15 praticamente eliminaram o mercado de designs mais antigos, então a menos que você realmente goste da aparência da arma (que parece sexy) então eu sugiro ir com a CMMG.

Especificações: Ruger Mini-14 Tactical.

Revista: Duas revistas de 20 rounds incluídas.

Está bem. Com alguns bons anéis de escopo, isso seria um jogo de tiro, e a maioria das pessoas parece estar acertando em torno de 2 MoA com este modelo, então eu esperaria o mesmo da versão 300 BLK também. Vou deixar passar no MoA de $ 1k & # 8221; regra geral, já que o varejo está bem abaixo dessa marca.

O estoque é otimizado para miras de ferro, não um escopo. Então, se você quiser colocar um escopo nesta arma, você pode precisar de um elevador de bochecha. O estoque sintético é bom, mas não é tão bom quanto um estoque de madeira. O gatilho é horrível.

Bang Toda vez.

Existem anéis de escopo de reposição e ações, mas isso é tudo. As revistas são proprietárias, e poucas pessoas possuem e disparam essas armas nos dias de hoje para garantir um mercado de peças de reposição verdadeiramente em franca expansão.

Existem armas melhores disponíveis no mercado para a mesma quantidade de dinheiro, de modo que automaticamente exclui uma classificação de 3 estrelas. Dito isto, a arma é uma piada absoluta para atirar.

Eu não vou gastar mais de US $ 1.000 para um rifle de 2 MOA!

Mas e se fosse uma arma de 5 moa ?! (mais é melhor, certo?)

Bingo, assim como 1 trilhão é inferior a 45 milhões porque o 1 é menor que 45!

Isto é o que acontece quando você usa o & # 8220; new math & # 8221; sistema.

É conhecido como Fuzzy MOA.

É mais inclusivo de armas que foram oprimidas por insultos insensíveis como "imprecisas", que são prejudiciais.

Maldito seja o Núcleo Comum.

Por favor, mais sobre este ponto. Você conseguiu um defletor porque a usinagem de Ruger dos fios foi sub-par e não concêntrica? Ou talvez a taxa de torção no barril causasse a queda de munição subsônica? Ou foi a greve durante a munição supersônica? A principal razão para 300Blk é a sua capacidade de disparar munição subsônica com um silenciador. Então você realmente precisa dar mais informações sobre essa greve. É a única coisa que eu me importo com este rifle, será um bom host supressor? E este artigo sugere que a única coisa que este rifle seria bom para o & # 8211; um host supressor & # 8211; ISN & # 8217; T!

& # 8220; (antes que Tyler matasse minha lata com um ataque de defletor) & # 8221;

Eu quis anexar esta citação do artigo.

Eu estava me perguntando isso também. Isso é devido ao entortamento do barril? Não é exatamente o mesmo tópicos no focinho e pode? Tolerância em algum lugar entre a câmara e o focinho? Essas coisas acontecem às vezes?

Meu entendimento é que o incidente não estava relacionado a esse rifle.

Tyler matou minha lata em uma arma diferente. O Mini-14 funcionou sem falhas com o silenciador conectado, sem tampas finais.

Tyler matando sua lata não teve * nada * a ver com você matando o buggy de fazenda de sua família?

Decepcionante. Oh bem, é um Mini14. Ruger faz outras coisas que eu realmente gosto, este rifle não é um deles.

É um pouco ridículo fornecer dados precisos sem usar um escopo.

Uma das regras básicas da pesquisa científica é remover tantas variáveis ​​quanto possível.

Bem, ele está na frente sobre o fato de que ele não usou um escopo. Também a precisão prática com mira de ferro também é importante. E se o rifle fosse preciso, um bom atirador de fuzil cmp cairia em um grupo muito mais apertado a apenas 50 jardas.

O tamanho do grupo representa a precisão do rifle ou a qualidade das vistas? Todos nós temos bons dias e maus dias no intervalo. Quando testamos produtos, precisamos remover o elemento humano o máximo possível.

Parece que ele tentou o escopo, mas não ficaria parado. Francamente, esse é um problema com essa plataforma antiquada (além dos anéis lame que eles forneceram, é claro). Escorar um M1a, por exemplo, não é uma ótima (ou barata) experiência # 8211; e você essencialmente perde seus maravilhosos ferros ao longo do caminho. Também é difícil mantê-lo balançando um pouco honestamente & # 8230; Eu amo meu M1A, mas eu aceitei o que é "# 8211; uma plataforma legada que não faz as coisas que uma plataforma mais nova faz (no que diz respeito ao mecanismo de segurança, mudanças de imagem, opções de óptica e visão, opções de lingas, acessórios, etc). Mas ainda é divertido e tem o lugar. Eu não tenho certeza de tudo que é necessário para 300 Blk. É uma rodada moderna, é melhor aproveitada em uma plataforma moderna, a OMI. Eu certamente entendo o seu ponto sobre a remoção de todos os elementos estranhos, mas eu não acho que ele estava se concentrando em uma análise de precisão pura, pois isso não seria realmente uma precisão. # 8217; rifle por dizer.

Sem uma atualização decente, o Mini absolutamente não faz mais sentido, e isso está vindo de um cara com 4 deles, incluindo dois costumes bastante caros. Os ferros são lixo, as revistas não são confiáveis ​​e caras, os móveis sintéticos têm quantidades inacreditáveis ​​de lixo (em um dos meus você poderia caber um quarto em cada lado entre o receptor e o estoque), as montagens de escopo exigem lapidação e cargas de loctite (os Warnes são ótimos), a política de Ruger para peças de reposição é uma piada (espere até que você precise de um pino de tiro) e assim por diante. Ainda é ótimo para filmar e eu prefiro os ergos a um AR, mas duvido que este rifle consiga a atualização necessária. Inferno, apenas torná-lo compatível com a revista AR parece ser algo que Ruger nem sequer considera, o que é uma piada porque o Scout usa revistas de IA, então alguém não deve ter a cabeça no rabo.

Em um ponto eu queria um Mini anos atrás, mas isso passou rapidamente. Ruger parece ter corrigido muitos dos problemas de precisão com o Mini-14, indo com um barril pesado, mas a questão da revista ainda é irritante. Eu não entendo porque Ruger não inclui um adaptador AR ou magwell permanente, para que as pessoas possam usar revistas comuns com o Mini.

Heck, custa menos para equipar um AK de 5,56 com revistas nos dias de hoje do que um Mini-14.

EI! Não seja insensível com os Kia's baratos, alguns de nós temos que levá-los para que possamos comprar outros brinquedos.

Eu realmente gosto da minha Optima, montagem de bônus na Geórgia!

A Ruger está realmente saindo do mercado com o Mini-14 atualmente, e a situação da revista não está ajudando.

Bastante. Quando você poderia obter um Mini por $ 700 e o AR mais barato era $ 1000, eles eram um bom negócio. Mas agora, um esqueleto Mini ainda é de US $ 700, mas você pode obter um nível de entrada AR (de Ruger não menos) por US $ 650. O incentivo para obter um desaparece a menos que você esteja em um estado de proibição.

Você continua dizendo Kia. Eu não acho que essa palavra significa o que você acha que significa.

Mais no tópico: Eu gostaria que houvesse mais empresas fazendo rifles centerfire autoloading com estoques tradicionais.

Eu realmente não gosto do olhar dos estoques de aperto de pistola; Eu quero uma arma moderna com um visual antigo. Por US $ 700.

& # 8220; Inicial & # 8221; qualidade. Não qualidade a longo prazo.

Não que este seja realmente o fórum para isso, mas pelo que vale a pena eu tive um Kia como meu carro de transporte diário desde 2006 e nunca (madeira de pancada) teve um problema significante com isto. Eu compraria outro em um piscar de olhos.

Claro que eu também tenho um grande Dodge para quando eu quiser transportar sujeira, ou compensar. ou alguma coisa.

No nível Nick & # 8211; você tem algo contra o 7.62 & # 215; 39?

A Impact atualmente tem o Mini-30 no estádio $ 750. Eu concordo que 1.000 + é demais para um mini em qualquer cartucho, mas eu não vejo este rifle blackout fazendo qualquer coisa que um mini-30 não pode. Eu ouvi principalmente coisas boas sobre o mini-30; o gripe principal (s) centra em torno da disponibilidade mag.

"O gatilho é tão assustador que até mesmo os palhaços evitam isso. # 8221;

Indiscutivelmente a melhor linha de um escritor TTAG ainda 🙂

Os -30s têm uma tendência (leve a moderada) de quebrar pinos de disparo em munição de excedente barato com primers duros, o que meio que anula o propósito de um 7.62 x 39 IMO. Ainda faz muito mais sentido do que .300 embora.

& # 8220; Eu não vejo este rifle blackout fazendo qualquer coisa que um mini-30 não possa. & # 8221;

Ele pode disparar um calibre subsônico carregado na fábrica para um uso eficaz do supressor. tipo de característica definidora / raison d & # 8217; para o cartucho inteiro.

Supressores, homem, supressores. Isso é o que .300 BLK é tudo.

Eu olhei para o mini 30 um tempo atrás. Então eu comecei a pensar, seria muito bom se eu conseguisse um desses que fosse um pouco mais confiável, fácil de manter, com revistas mais baratas, e com mais opções de customização. Você sabe, algo como "AK"?

Eu possuo uma mini-série 30 581, os modelos pre 06 tinham o que se chamava de barril de lápis, as armas disparavam de forma confiável, mas superaqueciam e você observava as amarras (também para os esnobes que não tinham af * & amp; amp; Uma pista, o primeiro m16A1 tinha um barril de lápis e também daria tiros, Ps i love ar, mas eu não suporto fanboys.) Com os modelos e ferramentas mais novos, eles gravam MUITO melhor. Parece estúpido, mas pegue o Spartan Stock da Promag, ele fará com que o receptor mantenha-se no lugar mais rigidamente e, em seguida, adicione um amortecedor. Eu observo com todos os mini que o estoque tem muito slop porque, portanto, diminuindo a precisão, os novos barris têm um perfil mais espesso e não aquecem quase tão ruim, mas ainda assim obter um amortecedor realmente funciona. Também eu mencionei que eu admiro ambas as plataformas, então não me chateies sobre como modificar meu mini (as mesmas pessoas que vão me rasgar ao modificar meu mini comprar ares mais baratos e depois afundar um grande neles). dafuq) Eu não sei se isso é possível ou não, e se eles fariam isso, mas se eu enviasse minha plataforma, eu sei que eles comeriam. Gostaria de poder anexar uma foto.

Essa foi uma boa revisão honesta. Tenho que amar a TTAG. Também rachei um pouco no trigger & # 8216; creep & # 8217; e & # 8216; empilhamento & # 8217; linhas, então tenho uma risada também. Eu acho que a questão da revista proprietária sozinha me assustaria, e o mecanismo de segurança antiquado e o gatilho manco também não ajudam em nada. E por ser um dono da M1A, eu sei o quanto de uma dor pode ser. Claro que não tem a flexibilidade de uma plataforma de AR, tendo que lidar com a ação no topo e tudo. Francamente, é uma plataforma antiquada. E, por mais que eu goste de 300Blk, ainda é caro como todo mundo sair. Eu estava esperando que o MCX seria a plataforma de pistão de 300 Blk que eu estava procurando, mas neste momento, eu estou no meio com a adoção precoce do & # 8217; e vai deixar os outros serem os porquinhos da índia para uma mudança & # 8230;

A edição mag magistral não faz sentido.

.300 BLK é feito de .556-.223 latão, não?

Por que diabos as revistas precisam ser proprietárias?

certo? esse foi um dos maiores benefícios do 300Blk & # 8211; você poderia usar suas mesmas revistas. Eu acho que eles não estavam investindo uma tonelada inteira em modding esta plataforma legada (para aceitar revistas AR) com a perspectiva realista de vendas limitadas.

Eu não acho que as revistas sejam proprietárias porque são .300 BLK. As revistas são proprietárias porque é um Ruger. O Mini sempre teve revistas proprietárias. Eu imagino que as revistas padrão .223 Mini-14 funcionariam bem neste rifle.

Gastar o dinheiro em um LRB M1A & # 8230; ..

Concordo "Eu realmente gosto do meu, incluindo o m25 com trilho de escopo embutido, mas não pesos leves. O escopo m25 com estoque jea vai atirar fgmm 1 MOA não é problema. Puras armas, revistas acessíveis e munição, mas tenho que pagar pela qualidade. Eu tenho m1a também, e não compraria outro mini-14/30 & # 8211; em 30cal, fique com o m1a, qualquer coisa menor, vá com a plataforma AR (eu vou pegar m14 em ar10 a qualquer dia obrigado)

Eu possuía o Mini-14s há muitos anos e gostei dos que eu possuía, mas eles sempre fediam no departamento de precisão. Com o preço relativo aos tipos de AR de boa qualidade que irão facilmente filmar bem dentro dos três a quatro MOA que o Mini normalmente produz, ele nunca mais será o grande vendedor que já foi.

Ruger desligou e reformulou a linha Mini-14 há alguns anos. As tolerâncias agora são muito mais estreitas e elas usam um cano cônico mais pesado. Eles também são 5.56 agora em vez de .223. 2moa é sobre o que esperar de um Mini agora, o que o coloca a par de um AR barato.

Dei uma olhada rápida no site da Ruger, onde você pode procurar os números de série. Parece que Ruger fez quase 50 mil deles no ano passado.

Uau, um impreciso Mini-14! Quais são as hipóteses? (sarcasmo)

Os mais novos são muito melhores do que costumavam ser, geralmente um trabalho de cama junto com uma bucha de gás de tamanho reduzido e encaixe adequado do bloco de gás ajudará exponencialmente.

Além da capacidade de executar subssonic, esta arma não faz nada que o meu básico Saiga 7.62X39 não seria. O Saiga me custou US $ 300, cinco anos atrás. Eu olhei para o Mini e o AR, em 2010. Na época, com a diferença de preço, não havia competição. A preços de hoje, eu poderia ir AR, mas certamente não Mini.

Você me bateu na comparação. Ainda hoje, um Saiga com uma configuração similar a um Mini-14/30 custa apenas US $ 650 ou menos, o que ainda é consideravelmente mais barato que você encontre uma variante Mini. Accuracy is similar between the two, but at least in the 7.62 version, you have the option of modifying it for normal AK mags, meaning your mag cost, options, and availability are improved. You can scope it as well, so there’s very little benefit in the Mini series anymore, though they price them right in the same range as some of the better low end AR15s, or the bottom tier of mid range…

The “selling point” that a lot of people are forgetting is this: for those of us in states with logic-challenged governments, this is one of two semi-auto, magazine fed rifle options (at least that I am aware of) you can still legally buy. The other is the Ares Defense SCR. It’s a pretty captive audience, particularly since everybody knows about the mini, but relatively few will be aware of the SCR.

Even in restricted states, you can still usually buy Saiga’s and VEPR’s, since they lack the “evil” pistol grip, and flash hider, and they come with 10 round magazines.

Living in a “free” state, I had to buy some 30 rounders, and do just enough 922r compliance. Replacing one part will allow you to use US made 30 round mags like SGM/Surefire. Replace a couple more, and you can use the standard AK mags.

If for some terrible reason, I had to move to Cali, I’d just take my Saiga with the 10 round mags. I don’t think you even have to do the bullet button crap with the Saiga.

Wow, even with your final ratings at the end this gun still gives me a boner… TMI?

The only Mini worth owning, is the AC556 model. All others are meh, at best.

Have a 181- Mini-14 — made about 1980.Shot hundreds of prairie dogs from 150-225 yds. Must have the only accurate one out there.

I’ll just stick with the Handi Rifle (with cheek pad holding ammo) as my truck gun.

I’m interested to know more about the rings coming loose. I have shot thousands of rounds using Ruger’s proprietary system on their other rifles and have dropped one down a mountain – none of them ever lost zero. I noticed in one of the pics you posted the ring is missing at least one screw and they do not appear properly torqued. What’s going on there? Does is have more to do with the mating to the receiver or the rings themselves?

Fired a friends Mini-30 many times. I see many issues with the Mini’s design:

1) safety manipulation is known to cause NDs.

2) point of impact shifts significantly with a hot barrel.

3) easily overheats – shooting 100 rounds was enough to overheat it to the point where we had to wait for it to cool down so that the charging handle could cycle.

4) pulling back on the front of the magazine for better control in the standing can cause the trigger group to fall out while firing.

5) the .300 blackout is an expensive niche round.

I would save my money and buy an SKS for much less.

Is there even one recorded case of a ND with the mini 14/30, or the m1a platform? I hear that about the safety all the time, but i also hear that open carry is terrible because someone might target you first in an assault, and I’ve seen no evidence of either.

The Garand would have the same issue.

“Truck Gun” = $160 Pardner Pump 12 guage.

$1000 does not equal “Truck Gun” for most middle class folks.

I was thinking the same thing. A gun I’d be comfortable leaving in a vehicle all the time would have to be a lot less expensive than this one.

Maybe my memory is slipping. But weren’t mini-14’s supposed to be a cheaper alternative to AR’s?

I purchased one of these and I love it. I have avoided getting an AR in 300 BLK because I don’t want to risk a kaboom because I (or one of my grown kids) grabbed the wrong ammo for my AR. The Mini is a great truck gun and it solves the issue of stuffing a mag full of 300 BLK into the wrong rifle.

(In the video) That’s a field strip. Holy Sh! t. What a pain in that ass that would be.

What an odd review. It seemed more about the problems of the Mini platform then this particular version. Perhaps it would have been more of a fair comparison to contrast it with the standard Mini then try and use the M1 as the standard.

We review the whole gun as-is from the factory compared to other similarly priced firearms in the same general category. We’re not comparing whether this Mini-14 is better than another Mini-14, we’re reviewing whether this gun is worthy of your money at all.

Where’s that Mini-14 accuracy excuses target photo when you need it…

Great news for any A-Team reenactment enthusiast wishing to bring a tacticool flair to the event.

Bought a Mini 30 years ago for about $475 out the door (over twice what the Chinese SKS cost.) I class it in the realm of an M1 Carbine, but in a more effective chambering.

A bit of tabletop gunsmithing made the trigger acceptable. Early feeding issues were the fault of the mags, both factory and a variety of aftermarket. So I monkeyed around with those mags for a while, and installed a little red dot in the factory rings.

Then I moved the Mini to the back of the gun safe and started some other projects.

Eventually I sold the SKS to help finance an AR in X39. Because I really like the X 39.

Then I went through a similar process with the AR.

My impressions at this point:

The SKS was a brick. I doubt if you could break it.

I oiled it every once in a while. It put rounds downrange all day, every day. Fed it with a stripper clip. It had an ugly trigger, but it went Bang!

The mini was more finicky, and maybe not quite as accurate as the SKS, which had a stiffer barrel.

The AR is a bit more accurate than the Mini, due I believe to it’s medium contour barrel.

Massaging the trigger helped.

The AR is not as easy to run as the other rifles, and cleaning it is a real PITA.

I still like the X 39 cart. over the boutique .30’s, but the case taper is a consideration.

I do not care for the 5.56, heavy or light.

AAC/Blackout, .30 Wilson etc. are not in my future, unless somebody else buys my ammo.( .30 AR looked promising, but it seems the marketplace has spoken…)

So I guess that is a long way of saying the Mini has its limitations, no matter what caliber.

P. S. Your best bang for the buck IMO? SKS for sure. Now THAT is a Truck Gun.

You can gussie it up if you want, but why bother?

Had a mid nineties mini 14. Ar-s were very expensive. It was a one magazine gun before the barrel heated up to red hot levels that sprayed bullets like shotgun pellets. I almost bought the new tactical version a couple years back , but came to my senses and got a very nice lightly used M-4 patrolman carbine for $700 and have never looked back. I’m no fan boy of AR’s. I’ve put a couple hundred rounds through it. I’ve never hung any lights, scopes, lasers or other doodads on it. I may at some point, after I find the “perfect” carry gun…hahaha. The mini 14 is over priced and under-engineered, imho.

The Mini-14 isn’t that accurate. I’ve never seen any example that could hold a group better than 2 MOA, and 3 to 4 MOA were pretty typical.

With a rack-grade M-1A, I can hold a group of a little more than a MOA at 100 yards with match .308 ammo. Rifles that have been tightened up, bedded, etc can be better than a MOA. I’ve never seen a Mini-14 come anywhere near those results, not without a lot of work.

The Ruger Mini-14 has always been a disappointment to me – such a great idea, but such a far cry from the original design in terms of results.

$1000 for a Mini-14? I sold a Mini-14 and a Mini-30 six or so years ago for $600. The owner just tried to sell them back to me for same and I politely declined. They would not hit a hog in the butt at 50yds much less a silver dollar. Silver dollar groups at 200yds with irons from a service rifle is damn fine shooting sir!

“Most people who I’ve talked to about the rifle think that it perfectly fits one very specific niche: truck gun.”

…or you live in a state with limited options and still want to keep buying guns.

I have owned 4 Mini 14’s in the past 4 years.

Two were tactical, one black synthetic and one Circassian wood. Both were sent to a certain gunsmith.

in Montana to work the triggers, bedding, etc. and both place their first two shots within a quarter inch with Hornady Tap 60 grain V Max. The triggers match my finest custom bolt action rifles and frankly I have some damn fine rifles. Of course, that was with scopes and at 100 yards.

I tested several other quality factory offerings with excellent results. Getting too old to reload with any patience to find the right “vibration.”

The other two, Ranch models, also, ran sub MOA with this same factory ammo, and trigger jobs, etc.. No, I have not pushed them over 3 shot groups.

I had the same problem with the scope rings shooting loose within 25 rounds usually.

I, too, love the P Mags and the efficient, rapid mag change of the AR’s, and the accuracy cannot be disputed on a good AR.

However, it’s an individual thing I reckon cause I’d pick up the Mini 14’s before the AR’s if I was in trouble. I’m from the over 65 generation and we have bad memories-M 16. They still cannot handle a hellatious,

long, intense firefight and that has been demonstrated in these past tow AO’s. I’d prefer the AK 47, AK 74,

and SKS if my life were on the line. Every long time operator I know of chooses the AK system over the M 16.

and trembles even at mentions of an M 16 system. But those guys have seen the worst there is as far as.

combat with both systems.

It’s just my quirky preference for wood, steel, pistons and the feel of something similar to a M 1 or M 14.

AMEN my Brother. Vietnam 1968-69, 3rd Marine Division. M-16 was JUNK !

When I got out, I traded my AR-15 for a mini-14 tactical and never looked back !

I have had several Mini 14’s. My current one is an SS with synthetic stock that I bought @ five years ago. I have killed hogs and coyotes with it out to 60/70 yds. with iron sights and no problem. I prefer the 150 gr. cartridges, but 170 gr. are ok. I carry this rifle everywhere in the truck, shoot it often, and find it to be reliable and easy to maintain. It is also easy to field strip and clean compared to an AR, which I hate. I also hated the M-16. Any rifle that needs an “assist” to lock the action after sustained use or that is that hard to keep clean is screwed in my mind. I do agree….use only Ruger mags and 20 rnd. are best.

Excelente artigo. I certainly love this site.

Continue the good work!

People think hunting is bad, its not poaching is, sustainablity is key, selective and legal hunting of non endangered species strengthens the whole species and in turn ecosystem thru natural selection.

The review lost me when the author seemed to Imply regular quarter sized groups with an iron sighted AR, at 200 yards. Mesmo? You can’t even see a quarter at 200 yards, and a front sight would be way wider than a quarter. One might luck out with one accidental group that size, but The Truth About Guns just lost me, along with any truth that the article may have contained. I understand how ego can color anyone’s accounting, but…really. A quarter.

The review lost me when the author seemed to Imply regular quarter sized groups with an iron sighted AR, at 200 yards. Mesmo? You can’t even see a quarter at 200 yards, and a front sight would be way wider than a quarter. One might luck out with one accidental group that size, but The Truth About Guns just lost me, along with any truth that the article may have contained. I understand how ego can color anyone’s accounting, but…really. A quarter.

Whoops…I mean a Silver Dollar. Still.. 200 Yards?

Scotty Nicholson, your comments got me to thinking.

200yds? Silver dollar? Iron sights? Off-hand? I wouldn’t dare call anybody out or try to make a ruckus, but just the math alone would make that some impressive shooting.

I checked the size of a traditional “silver” dollar, like the old Eisenhower dollars or the older, Morgan dollars. They are 38.1mm or exactly 1.5″. Although I speak for myself only, I’d bet that most everyone “knows” 25yds from your local indoor range. One-and-a-half inches is appx 6MOA at the 25yd line. For reference, align 2 quarters together, rim-to-rim; quarters are right at 0.75″, so a pair of ’em is right at 1.5″. (I learned this by way of some “hand-did” targets with 1:1 scaled coins that I use regularly.)

Now, move that silver dollar out to 200yds and – if my math is correct – we’re looking at, roughly, 0.75MOA. That is TIGHT. Conversely, to approximate/simulate this at the 25yd mark, the bull would be right at 0.1875″||3/16″. Let’s ante up another quarter, then stack it with the other 2. The height of that stack is going to be very close to 0.1875||3/16″ & # 8230; but a bit BIGGER!

Tell you what, let’s make it even easier to simulate that target at 25yds. Keep the quarters in your pocket, but find a spent/empty 22LR casing off the floor at your range, then use it as guide or template to draw your simulated 200yd bullseye. Yes, the casing diameter is larger than 0.1875″||3/16″, 1.20 or 20 percent larger, and your drawn circle will certainly be a big bigger, but that’s okay … because, I don’t know that an object under 0.25″ in size will be viewable by very many, unless they have eyesight like Chuck Yeager or Clarence Bud/Andy Anderson. Personally, I can barely, and not always, make out the quarter-inch, dayglo-red “dot” on a hi-viz target at my usual indoor range at 25yds. It’s a little easier outdoors, in the sunlight.

Well, I targets with pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters, as well as an 1849 gold dollar. That gold dollar is a tad under 0.5″, so it’s mmy (almost) 2MOA objective (again, at 1:1 scale). Shooting supported/off bench, where all I did was aim, steady, and shoot the rifle, my 10/22TD and I have managed at least once to “make change” out of that dollar, 3 overlapping holes with a group size right at .155″, center-to-center from farthest holes. That’s appx 0.6MOA, probably my best (deliberate) 3-shot group to-date.

However, as I said in my previous post, I’m a middle-aged rookie, so I’m not claiming talent, skill, or expertise. I’ll just be grateful for things I’ve learned and a lotta’ luck, because I could barely see the much-darker and bigger penny image, much less that danged gold dollar!

I don’t have much trouble consistently punching holes into hitting baseball-to-softball-size targets off-hand at 25yds, but I’d sure be curious, and impressed, to see somebody doing that to a silver-dollar, offhand, iron-sights, at 200yds.

Steve in Memphis.

Call me a rookie, call me a liberal, call me old school, but my only complaint about my Mini-14 300 BLK is the width of the center blade on the front sight; I estimate that thing to be somewhere between 12 and 16 MOA wide. Only been shooting for about 9 months, now, first with a 10/22TD, then I bought the Mini, even after reading this review. I now know that I’ve been spoiled by the Tech-Sights I put on the front and rear of the 10/22, with front post spec’d at 7.63MOA.

So, to the point, this past Saturday, I installed new rear sight (from Tech-Sights) and a new Ulitmak rail on the Mini. I was itchin’ to get to a range and find a zero with the new sights. So, I drove to Montgomery County Shooting Complex (Tennessee, south of Fort Campbell, a really great range), to test it out. In intermittent rain, mostly a left-to-right cross-wind, sometimes changing to a head-wind, using 150gr supersonic ammo, I aimed, shot, assessed, and adjusted my new “irons” at 50yds until I put 3 a set of 4 consecutive rounds into a 1″ circle, then 2 straight sets of 3 shots into, first, a 2″ square, then, into a 2″ círculo. After that, I moved to 100yds and put my first 3rds from the Mini into the bull, with group diameter right at 2.25″.

(My results with 10/22 were, in general, slightly better, after I gauged the drop.)

I know that is not at the level of Alvin York or Carlos Hathcock, but, based upon what I’ve read from so many folks who dismiss pretty much all variants of the Mini, insofar as accuracy goes, my results seem to border on outstanding.

(No animals were harmed during my session, but, 8 out of 10 squirrels agree, they would have been.)

I can also confirm that Ruger Mini-14 .223/5.56 mag’s work just fine. I also have a Pro-Mag that (usually) works fine. So far, it has cycled a-ok, unsuppressed, with the 3 makes of sub-sonic ammo I have fed it. I have seen few reviewers note this, but I am pretty sure that the barrel on the Mini-14 300 BLK is the heaviest one in the line; although it’s the same as the others from receiver to gas block – that’s why the Ultimak rail worked just fine – it’s much thicker from the gas block to the muzzle. IOW, it should be stiffer and tolerate more heating, perhaps even preventing that vertical-stringing I’ve read about on the .223/5.56 version.

Again, I’m still in my rookie year of shooting any firearm and I can’t be considered an expert. Also, I will confess that I truly prefer the more traditional look of the Mini to that of anything else I’ve seen in its product segment. (I rate the M1A offerings from Springfield as gorgeous, too, and I looked at them, but I didn’t want to spend that much, so I put them in a different market. However, I think my Mini now looks even better than NIB, a bit more elegantly bad-a$$, since I added that Ultimak rail.)

So, in the end, if this rookie, using iron sights and middle-aged eyeballs, on a breezy day, with good-quality-but-reloaded ammo, is consistently putting 300 BLK rounds into a 3″ circle at 100yds, this here Mini-14 just has to be better than so many folks say it is.

I don’t know what you’re doing with those rings, but I GUARANTEE you are doing something wrong. The ruger rings.

are well known for their superior strength. I have those rings on an older mini 14 ranch, and also on an m77 hawkeye in .338 magnum. Both have been mounted for several years, and neither has moved at all. I used no loctite. I did lap both sets of rings before mounting the scopes, and torqued all screws properly. As for accuracy, thanks for letting us know that the mini 14 is not a particularly accurate rifle. Here and I always thought they were absolute tack drivers…. especially with the all new totally invincible Wonder Cartridge!

I bought a mini last year in 300 BLK and it’s awesome! Had an AR for a while and couldn’t get used to it, ended up trading it off, partly because I didn’t want to look like one of the AR fanboys or some range ninja. Everyone keeps jabbing about the inaccuracy of the mini, the 300BLK version is a 300 yard gun at most, and that’s because of the round itself, not the gun! It’s supposed to be an ultra-reliable truck gun that you can knock down deer or coyotes or other varmints with. I’m not going to throw a $700 AR in the truck and bounce around the ranch all weekend, something on it will break, it will jam, or some other kind of failure. Don’t have to worry about that with the Mini, it goes bang every time, no matter what you throw at it. And if I want to shoot at something more than 300 yards off I’m not going to use a 300BLK or 5.56 in any platform. That’s what .270 .308 30.06 and so on are for!

I hit chicken eggs at 200 yds. with a .223 that had a 12x scope, 3 times, standing offhand, with no sling, and won over $200 at the events. That was with a total of 26 shots. After shooting high power silhouette for 33 years, seeing the best shooters in the country at offhand shooting, I find it difficult to believe that anyone could hit a silver dollar with open sights at 200 yds. at a regular interval. We can all get lucky sometime. Makes the whole evaluation of the rifle seem a little “iffy”.

“but consider that my usual hobbies include putting 5.56 NATO rounds through a target the size of a silver dollar with an M-16 with iron sights. Standing. Offhand. At 200 yards.”

Sub-one MOA, Military issue M16 with iron sights, standing, offhand at 200 yards, shooting NATO mil-spec ball ammo is remarkable, almost astounding bullshit. He forgot the 30 knot crosswind…

Having thrown even a shred of credibility to the wind, I can’t accept anything Leghorn says.

My 5805 Mini-14 has a vastly better trigger than any mil-spec M16/M4 I’ve fired.

My scope doesn’t shoot loose. Ruger rings are heavy, but they tighten up and stay tight.

How accurate is my Mini-14? It varies with what ammo I shoot. Ordinary XM193 5 grain ball ammo shoots between 1.8 and 2.5 MOA from the bench. Some ammo shoots better, some worse. However, I did find that IMI M193 FMJ boat tail 55 grain shoots exceptionally well. With this ammo, it averages just over 1 MOA (1.4), with my best ever group at a freakish 0.72″ at 100 yards. I don’t expect to see many groups like that.

My scope? A Nikon P-223 3-9 x 40mm.

I often dismount the scope and have fun with the excellent iron sights.

Ultimately, this rifle is outstanding at what it was engineered to do. It runs like a Rolex.

Yeah, the proprietary magazine issue should have been resolved shortly after Bill Ruger died….

Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About the M1 Carbine. Allegedly.

The U. S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1 (a. k.a., the M1 Carbine) reached a total production of over six million rifles in just 38 months. As a wartime project, quantity and speed were both production necessities. The only other single WWII item made in greater quantities was the M1 steel helmet . . .

While the M1 Garand .30-06 was always intended to be the Army’s primary infantry rifle, a light rifle project was commissioned in 1942 to provide better defensive and even offensive capability to rear-echelon troops and others who couldn’t carry a full-size battle rifle and ammunition load. These other specialty weapon and support troops, like drivers, tankers, and artillerymen, normally would have been issued pistols as a defensive sidearm. Replacing the pistol with a small and light carbine would provide better defensive capability and relieve pressure on infantry units to provide security for support units.

As the M1 Carbine made its way into the ranks, others picked it up as a primary service weapon. Airborne Paratroops and even regular foot soldiers appreciated the light weight of both rifle and ammo. Being able to shoot 15 rounds between easy and fast box magazine reloads was considered to be an advantage by many who sacrificed the power of a .30-06 Garand in return for volume.

This short stroke piston rifle has enough similarities that it was often called “the baby Garand”

What is an M1 Carbine?

Besides being about the most fun rifle ever, this portable little carbine weighed just more than half of the standard issue M1 Garand, coming in at about five pounds versus over nine for the M1 Garand. That’s a big deal, but the weight of ammo is also significant. A single .30 Carbine round (.44 ounces) weighs less than half of a .30-06 cartridge (.91 ounces), so a soldier can carry twice any many rounds with no increase in their overall load.

The standard M1 Carbine uses a 15-round box magazine.

While weight varies just a hair depending on the variant, my National Postal Meter model weighs in at 5.5 pounds with an empty magazine. Overall length is just 36 inches. To put that in perspective, it’s an inch shorter than a standard Ruger 10/22 Carbine.

The rifle is short-stroke piston operated, with the gas port and piston apparatus on the underside of the barrel. One notable difference in the design is that gas is bled from the barrel much closer to the chamber than with other rifles. The idea was that the very hot gas wouldn’t create as much carbonization in the gas port and piston system, and that would mean lower maintenance.

The standard magazine is a 15-round box but different variations with more and less capacity have been used over the years. It probably goes without saying this is an iron sighted rifle. The front post is solid and well protected by wings on either side, unlike the 1903 Springfield’s thin blade. The rear is an aperture sight, originally a flip model for short and long range, then later upgraded to one adjustable for windage and elevation.

Who really designed this handy little rifle?

There are a number of myths floating around that the M1 Carbine was designed by some guy in prison for murder and such, but that’s not true. As you’ll hear in any post-game interview, it was a team effort.

The original rear sight was an “L” type flip sight for dual range. Later, the windage and elevation adjustable aperture sights were phased in.

The legend is that David Marshall (Carbine) Williams designed the M1 Carbine while in prison for the 1921 murder of Deputy Alfred Jackson Pate during a raid on Williams’ illegal still operation. Like most myths, there is a bit of truth to this one. Williams did serve time for that murder, from 1921 to 1929, and while he was in the Caledonia State Prison Farm, he worked in the machine shop. While there he not only serviced the guards’ firearms, he designed numerous components and at least four semi-automatic rifles. The truth part of this story is that while there, he perfected his short stroke gas piston design, which was later used in the M1 Carbine project. In 1938, Williams joined Winchester to work on a scaled down .30-06 semi-automatic rifle for the military. This rifle was originally designed by Ed Browning (yes, related as half brother) and evolved into the Winchester Model G30M after browning’s untimely death.

Strangely enough, Winchester’s original role in this project was to design the cartridge only, and they did. It was derived from the 32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge introduced in 1906. At the request of the Army, Winchester entered the light rifle trials program literally at the very last minute. Perhaps due to his “prison time” sense of urgency, Williams was unable or unwilling to work under time and contract pressure, and shortly after taking leadership of the project, he was assigned to other duties within the company. With others in charge, Winchester managed to complete a working prototype in just 13 days.

Over the span of days, Winchester engineers traveled back and forth between New Haven and Washington to get working carbines into the test program, often machining revised or replacement parts from memory of original specifications. All that chaos paid off, however, as the Winchester light rifle dominated the tests, completing 1,000 rounds of fire with just four stoppages.

Who made all those carbines?

Making over six million rifles in just 38 months is no small feat. In fact, it took ten different companies operating in 11 different facilities, not counting subcontractors. The interesting thing is that only one of these ten companies was in the business of making firearms before the wartime contracts – that would be Winchester, who designed it in the first place.

The other producers, and number of carbines made included:

Saginaw, General Motors (automotive steering gear and components): 517,212 I. B.M. (typewriters and data processing equipment): 346,500 Inland, General Motors (automotive steering wheels): 2,392,388 Irwin-Pederson (household and office furniture): 3,542* National Postal Meter (office equipment and meters): 413,017 Quality Hardware & Machine Co. (sheet metal forming equipment): 359,666 Rock-Ola Manufacturing (jukeboxes and arcade games): 228,500 Standard Products Company (automotive window parts): 247,155 Underwood-Elliot-Fisher Co. (business machines, cash registers): 545,616 Winchester Repeating Arms (firearms): 865,404.

* The government never ended up officially accepting any of the Irwin-Pederson carbines.

If you were adding along with the list, you might have noticed that those numbers only total 5.9 million and change. That’s because Inland also produced another 300,000 some odd M1A1, M2, and M3 variants, bringing the grand total up to about 6.2 million carbines.

The rear sling “pin” is actually a small oil canister. Clever.

Literally hundreds of subcontractors in a wide array of industries produced component parts for the M1 Carbine production effort. For example, if you have a Saginaw model in your gun case, it’s entirely possible that the Wadsworth Watch Case Company made the magazine catch, ejector, extractor and firing pin for your particular rifle.

The number of contractors, the speed of production, and sheer volume makes collecting “ correct ” models exceedingly difficult. In the wartime rush, it was a regular practice for companies to swap parts, mix barrel and receivers from different manufacturers and so on. In fact, that was part of the plan – to be able to produce tons of rifles quickly without the normal bottlenecks. Additionally, most M1 Carbines have been through at least two major overhauls since the 40s, where more mixing and matching of stocks, barrels, and component parts occurred. Oh, and over five million of the total six million rifles have been shipped overseas at some point for use by United States Allies.

As a result, if someone wants to sell you an “ original ” M1 Carbine in its native and correct configuration, be very wary as you’re getting into expert collector territory.

The .30 Carbine Cartridge.

The “ standard ” .30 Carbine cartridge uses a straight-walled case that holds an 110-grain, .30 caliber (.308) projectile. While there is no bottleneck, the case is slightly tapered towards the mouth. Average velocity is right around 1,900 feet per second as originally designed, although modern loads move a little higher and lower than that. This yields a muzzle energy level of 881 foot-pounds. With those figures, and even with the light weight of the M1 Carbine, recoil is exceptionally light. Firing an M1 is louder than a .22, but almost as pleasant. Metal butt plate or not, you can shoot this rifle all day with no ill effects.

The M1 Carbine cartridge is less than half the eight of a .30-06.

M1A1, M2 and M3 Models.

During the year of introduction in 1942, a request was made for a variant even more suitable for paratroops of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions. The Inland production team designed a folding wire stock model that was later designated the M1A1. Inland ultimately made 140,591 of these. They remain a hot collector’s item today, so beware of fakes. It’s entirely possible that there are more “ assembled ” M1A1 guns on the open market than correct originals.

Late in World War II, the M2 model was introduced. The M2 added select-fire capability and 30-round magazine capacity. The rate of fire was in the 850 to 900 rounds per minute range.

In the same general time frame, the M3 variant was issued. This model added an infrared SniperScope setup that allowed effective use against targets in the dark. “ Scope ” is not quite a descriptive term as the 30-pound system included a lamp hung under the barrel, a scope on the receiver, and a battery backpack. According to reports, the M3 models proved incredibly effective in the Okinawa campaign against night infiltration attacks. Some estimates claim that up to 30% of all enemy small arms casualties were inflicted by the M3 with night vision apparatus.

Want a brand new one just like the original?

While you can still find M1 Carbines at local guns shows without too much trouble, you can also buy a brand new one, manufactured just like the originals. At this year’s Shooting Industry Masters fundraising event, I had the opportunity to shoot the brand new, but old, Inland Manufacturing M1 Carbine. You can buy one modeled after the very last model manufactured back in 1945 or an authentic 1944 version without the scary bayonet lug. The 1944 model serves a dual purpose as it’s legal in some states that get upset about the possibility of antique bayonet crime.

While I’m a sucker for interesting historical guns, the M1 Carbine just might be my favorite. The history is fascinating, but better yet, this gun is exceptionally fun to shoot. It’s like a handy .22 rifle with just a bit of added gorilla juice.

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One of the stories that came later in Korea was the cartridges lack of penetrative power. The box of truth did a test awhile back and basically proved that the .30 carbine had enough juice to get through thick frozen clothing. It surely is more effective in penetration than any pistol of that era. (and still more so than most pistol/revolver cartridges today)

I enjoy plinking with it and have found it to be plenty effective on small game if kept to a reasonable distance.

If I remember rightly it has the same energy at 100m as .357 has at the muzzle of a 6″ barril.

It’s very similar to .357 fired out of a carbine with a similar barrel length, both at the muzzle.

Which just goes to show that the myth about bullets “bouncing from thick clothing” is pure bullshit. Anyone who disagrees is invited to don Soviet WW2 heavy trench coat and stand 200 yards away while being shot with a .357 from a 16-inch 1892 level action.

IIRC, one of the analyst reports from the 50s addressed this. They discounted it as well; the .30 carbine will shoot thru a frozen chicom uniform just fine. So if the round is good to go, why didn’t the chicoms fall down? Maybe the GIs plain missed the target and claimed the bullet was at fault.

You forgot to mention ammo cost. I know people actually shoot the things, I knew a guy with an M2 in 1964. But is there surplus ammo, or do you pay boutique prices?

Some higher powered defense and hunting loads will be around a buck a round; but most plinking/target ammo is in the .50-.60/round range. If you reload, you can shoot for less than .30/round.

Most plinking stuff runs about 30 bucks a box of fifty. (Around here)

As I reload, here’s my breakdown from an order just this month-

Wideners had a special on 110 ball projo’s. $210.00 with free shipping for two thousand rounds. I already have reusable brass.

I use H110 powder at 14 grains a throw. So it’ll take four pounds of powder to reload those 2,000 rounds. Powder ran me $32.00 per pound.

Primers ran about $30.00 per thousand.

So not counting my time, about $200.00 per thousand, or twenty cents per round. Not a huge savings, but decent enough.

Mines an old underwood. Love this little plinker.

It’s just about the perfect truck or trunk gun.

They are great little guns. I’ve shot one, and really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, I don’t own one, and it is pretty far down my list of “desired guns”. My AK, M44, and H-P 4095 carbines were just so much cheaper. Still I’d love to have one of these.

I would argue that they aren’t, not anymore. Not when you can build an AR that weighs just as little, is more ergonomic, and fires more powerful ammo that is cheaper. And you can go even further and build a .300 BLK SBR (with a “stabilizing brace” if necessary) for an even more light & compact package with more oomph.

There’s pretty much nothing that M1 Carbine (either the gun or the round) is good at that doesn’t have a better solution today. If they were also cheap, that might have been the deal breaker, but as it is, you’re looking at around $600 for a crappy Universal, and close to $1K for good stuff; while a “good enough” AR can be built or bought for under $600 (e. g. S&W M&P 15 Sport, or the Radical Firearms budget lineup).

Bullsauce! I served in the military (US Navy. Enlisted 7/19/1973). The .30 Carbine gives up little to the 5.56 NATO rifle and weighs 14.4 ounces LESS than the 5.56. Another thing that seems to be forgotten is that you also have the ability to use the M1 Carbine to strike an opponent with the butt of the stock.

The ammunition for the M1 is lighter, and more can be carried than that of the 5.56 NATO. The M1 Carbine has been, and still is, effective for most police applications. It can also be used to penetrate car doors rather handily, yet can still be loaded to penetrate less than either military ball, or soft point ammunition. New loads have improved the .30 Carbine’s performance even more. These mounting facts cannot be ignored.

The AR 15 isn’t the “be-all, end-all” of the personal armament realm.

You can also purchase beautiful reproduction M1 Carbines from classiccarbines/xcart/ located in Torrington, Connecticut. Check them out…

“The only other single WWII item made in greater quantities was the M1 steel helmet . . .”

I’m reasonably confident they made more uniforms than helmets, and likely more of other things. Anybody got a cite on that claim?

My biggest gun buying regret was not snapping up a Rock-Ola at the first pawn shop I worked at in the early 80’s.

This website rarely, if ever, fact checks or edits it’s terrible articles.

they certainly made more ammo….

Even if we stick to guns, USSR has produced over 17 million Mosin rifles during WW2. This is the combined figure for all variations, but I’m pretty sure that even if you stuck to the most basic 91/30, there were still more of them produced than any firearm manufactured in US during the war.

There was a time when a master gunmaker/designer plied his trade while serving time for murder.

I remember when you could buy these carbines, as well as most other guns, thru the postal service and have them delivered right to your door.

Small framed people that are recoil sensitive would do well with an m1 carbine.

“I remember when you could buy these carbines, as well as most other guns, thru the postal service and have them delivered right to your door.”

AFIK, you still can:

Just not all guns…

Most others you could until the ’68(?) GCA…

68 gca was my wake up call. Been at it ever since.

Would still love one to accompany my CMP Garand. Friend has his Fathers, a Underwood. Shoots like a baby doll. I can see where the similarities between a lightweight M4 and M1 Carbine have the same end use. Lightweight, small ish, effective round at close range, soldier can carry more ammo.

Sweet little carbine.

Does anybody know why there are no other guns chbered in .30 carbine? It seems like a decent round.

Ruger makes a revolver chambered in .30 Carbine.

Obviously a sweet little rifle, but is it available in any other than the original .30 carbine caliber? And if not, why not? Seems like it would be a good platform for a lot of pistol calibers.

Ruger’s Mini-14 in the .223 varients (.223, 5.56 and .223 Wylde)

An online search came with M1 carbines in 9mm under brand names Chiappa, Citadel and Legacy Sports. Don’t know any more about them.

Yes, 9mm and .22LR too, but 30 carbine is probably much easier to find and possibly cheaper than the latter. Power wise, the 30 has about the same power as standard (not full) pressure .357 magnum loads from 18 inch barrels, so it’s fair to say it’s substantially stronger than 9mm.

Ares Defense SCR? Traditional right stock, but takes any AR upper and optic. 5.5lbs and accepts any AR mag, too. Reviewed here a while back.

The problem is that it’s neither here or there. As others have noted, it’s very similar to .357 Magnum, except it’s not rimmed, and its powder load is optimized for carbine (18″) barrels. So for handguns it’s not particularly useful because it would lose too much velocity and produce too large of a blast, while in carbines it is ballistically inferior to pretty much any intermediate rifle cartridge (.223, 7.62×39, .300 BLK etc) for almost the same package weight and size. Nor is it cheap like 9mm. So what’s the point?

About the only niche I can see it fitting is pistol caliber carbines. But then again, their main attraction is to be able to reuse cheap pistol ammo, and in many cases, magazines, neither of which would apply to .30 Carbine.

Ruger made a revolver a Blackhawk, chambered in .30 Carbine.

The one pistol I’ve run into was an AMT Automag III in .30 Carbine. It had a most impressive muzzle bloom – lit up a whole indoor range with the muzzle flash. Very accurate, but kinda rare.

Just guessing, but being primarily a carbine round, the major manufacturers probably load it with slower burning powders than they would a pistol round. Might make a great pistol round to hand load.

I regret now that I was so wrapped up in my own gun’s bad performance (not an M1 by the way) that I didn’t take the ex FBI sniper up on his offer to let me shoot his M1 last time we were at the range. Sure, he’s my brother-in-law’s buddy and we could make another trip out to the range, but now I feel like a schmuck for “blowing off” a oferta.

It’s a fun little carbine, easy to carry and shoot. Originals using surplus ammo aren’t terribly accurate, and prices have escalated, but who cares. Just stay away from the non-standard Universal M1 carbines. Many of their parts are incompatible with “real” M1 carbines and they may be unavailable if needed. A good Universal is a good little gun, but they did make too many bad ones.

Tom W. said it best: “Sweet little carbine.”

I got a Universal carbine for a song awhile back, I knew it would be risky, but the price was right.

It’s an okay gun, I replaced the springs in it plus magazine springs and it’ll go through a full 15 round mag 80% of the time without problem. It seems like it’s more a magazine problem, as I’ve got a quality aftermarket mag that runs better than the mag that came with it.

I still want to get a real M1 or “real” clone, but I’m happy with it, and I’ve got less than $200, probably less than $175, into it.

I’m on my 2nd with no problems. I’d buy another for that price in a flash. I’ve found that the 30 rounders made by/stamped jay webley? work and always look for them at gunshows. Most other mags GI or not work like crap. I just picked up a box of soft point made by monarch for 22.00 (50 rds) @ acadamy I think. The same price for jacketed/SP. I have not shot them yet to see how they work. Universal made”polymer” 5 round single stack mag that’s supposed to be the cat’s meow. I’d love to get one but on feebay they run about $40. I have to rembember to look at the next gunshow.

I love my Inland. I just wish the ammo was a lot cheaper to shoot. I used it in a shoot house for a 3 gun competition. It works really well as it is light and perfect length for indoor use. I don’t have any 30 round mags for it yet, but I think I need to change that.

Replacing the pistol with a small and light carbine would provide better defensive capability and relieve pressure on infantry units to provide security for support units.

That and most people could not hit the broadside of a barn with a 1911.

Army Ordnance Depots modified M1 Carbines to run full auto and two magazines were tack welded back to back.

The Longest Winter states this and Dad stated this was done as well.

There’s no dispute about this – the full-auto version of M1 was designated M2, and was issued widely in Korea.

I haven’t heard about welding mags together, but there was a standard-issue mag coupler (Holder, Magazine T3-A1); and before it appeared, it was pretty common for soldiers to “jungle tape” magazines together for fast reloads.

I’ve heard a lot about reliability issues with the new replica ones. Are they still a good cheaper more available option or are they junk for the most part?

My ex grandfather-in-law has a WWII era M1 Carbine and armor piercing rounds.

That thing is awesome. And the rounds and gun still run flawlessly. God only knows their actual age, too.

Oh yeah brother !

Thanks for this article it’s like we must be on the same wave length or something because this very type firearm has been on my mind the last couple of days.

MasterPiece Arms makes a daddy paratrooper version replica and I mean right down to the wire folding stock.

Guess what, it’s going in a small backpack that I always carry, I shall call it ‘homeland security’.

.38 J-frame riding shotgun and the M1 backup.

I think you’re thinking of Auto-Ordnance (a division of Kahr Arms). Masterpiece Arms makes those dumb MAC-10 clones.

THIS is so cool…can be seen quite a bit in old episodes of “Combat”. I’d love to own one but it’s miles down the list of lust-worthy guns for me…

I have a Howa made Thai Police M1 carbine. Although I guess it technically technically isn’t an M1, since it’s not USGI and Thailand used a different designation. I believe US made ones are Type 87 carbine, while the Howa made ones are Type 8 (police designation)

Bayonet (which is different than USGI) removed with grinder becuase AWB. Thanks Clinton.

It should be noted the bayonet lugs were only added in the post-war refurbishments.

All WW2 versions lacked the bayonet lugs. It’s a good indicator of who did the research for war films. Many 1950s and 60s films show the post war carbines. Despite other flaws, “Saving Private Ryan” actually got this one right.

I have a 1944 Inland M1 Carbine. They’re definitely a cool little rifle. When my kids mastered .22 bolt rifle we transitioned to the Carbine. They took to it like ducks to water, and were soon punching paper to the limit of its accuracy.

The .30 carbine round is good at what it was intended to do, but I haven’t found any ammo for it besides MC and FMJ. I wouldn’t use the old GI steel core ammo if somebody paid me to do it!

Federal Ordnance once made a bottom folding stock for the M1 Carbine, and I bought one for the Inland. With the folder installed it’s a cinch to sling it up close under your arm and carry it beneath your coat or slicker when running fences and checking the livestock. If the M1 Carbine has a disadvantage it’s that it’s top eject, and there’s no decent options for mounting optics without cruddying up the rifle.

Hornady makes expanding ammo, a 110 grain rated at 2,000 FPS. Ammoseek is a good source, as is Midway USA.

Cool little guns, and a handy “alternative caliber” conceito. I’d like to pick up some of these some day, but would have a hard time justifying it given my more potent .300 BLK AR. Given the size and weight, I like having another 400-500 FPS over the .30 Carbine while simultaneously launching more aerodynamic bullets from a more accurate gun.

Can’t argue with history, though. Better to own some.

I’ve got a few laying around. My pops has what appears to be an authentic inland paratrooper with folding stock.

I’ve got a universal m1 carbine pistol (quality sucks) and a couple universal receivers floating in a box with some m1 carbine slide castings. Some time, machining, and heat treatment would be required to finish those.

The problem with the M1 today is the ammunition cost. They are simply too costly to feed and the cheap surplus is all gone.

Tula makes steel-cased ammo for around $.27 / round. Brass-cased ammo is as low as about $.37 / round. Ammoseek, gunbot and other ammo search engines are wonderful things.

I have a AMT .30 cal semi-auto handgun. This monster shoots a flame about 18 inches and the gun range guys shit their pants. It used to cost 59 cents round but now about $1.00. Being a generous fellow, I allow any one who wants to fire this weapon a full mag. By the way it is for sale $1200.00 jdstrie@msn.

I have wondered if there is a market for a 1911 style semi-auto in .30 carbine since AMT went belly up decades ago.

There definitely is but only as a novelty as shortening the barrel too far just wastes the powder in a giant fireball. There would also be a slow ramp up and acceptance while ammo makers figure out we need a decent expanding bullet. It’d be a bit like a Coonan .357.

This one’s on my list. Although the vintage models are starting to get a little pricey. I’ve seen the new manufacture Auto Ordinance models for around $650. Alguém sabe alguma coisa sobre eles? Seems like a pretty viable alternative for the home defense carbine to the ARs. You can get 20 or 30 round mags and the fairly modest reduction in power is largely offset by lower recoil and a quieter report. And best of all, nobody will mistake you for an operator.

I love the carbine, though I have these issues (IBM, Winchester)

1) The lock to hold the bolt open is pretty sketchy, usually slams shut on me (like when cleaning)

2) In freezing weather I have had issues of the bolt not going into battery but stopping at the point where the extractor would engage the lip of the casing.

3) I bought what was supposedly an authentic sling with oiler but try as I might I cannot get the sling/oiler combination into the stock.

It served me well in Combat.

Didn’t some company make them in .45 auto recently? Does that come close to the .30 carbine performance? Just thinking about the “stopping power” factor and having to introduce another cartridge during the war….

Wonderful rifle, I have an original numbers matching Irwin-Pederson. (No its not for sale.)

I prefer the early war flip site to the later one.

I’ve been looking for a good one for a while now.

Saturday, overwhelmed by “lust”, I bought a Polish AK 47 just to cool down.

But the “Minigarand” is still in the crosshair!

Just a bit expensive here, at 550-700€.

I have brand new M1 Carbine, newly built, from Fulton Armory fulton-armory.

It works like a champ. After seeing the Box of Truth and doing some homework, I’m pretty confident this will punch a hole thru a car and is accurate enough for MOP (Minute of Pie pan). I don’t get to shoot it enough. It is fun, and mine is more than accurate with iron sights.. I’ve got a “scout” version with a rail, I’ve held off putting a red dot on it because I’m not seeing the need for it.

Any gun that was used to kick Nazis in the crotch and defeat ravening Communist Hordes has got to be good.

I wish Wilson Combat would make 30 round mags for it.

There’s also this one:

I have a Ruger Blackhawk with a 7 1/2 barrel that is chambered for the .30 Carbine. Awesome….

I’ll be purchasing one sometime in early 2017. I gave up a Universal when my wife died in 1999. (I sold it to help defray her burial expenses). I adore the .30 Carbine, and as a marksman of 55 years (I began shooting at the age of six) I can still pick off a man at 200 yards with the Carbine without breathing hard.

If I can afford a James River “Rock-ola” or “Fulton Armory” Carbine, I’ll take it. If I can’t, a new “improved” Inland M1 Carbine will do the job. Ron Norton of Inland has improved the quality of his products recently and they’ll “stand the test of time”.

Don’t worry, the M1 Carbine can perform as well as an AR out to 200 yards. When the “feces strikes the air motivator” most of the targets will be well within this range. Newer barrels will provide you with 2 inch groups at 200 yards, and 1 inch groups at 100 yards. What more could you ask? The .30 Caliber 110 grain bullet at 2000 fps at the muzzle and 1602 fps at 100 yards (Hornady Mfg. ballistics) yields 627 foot-pounds of energy. This is sufficient for hunting deer and stopping bad people. 977 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle makes Soft Point ammunition carry the energy in the class of the .41 Remington Magnum. If that won’t get the job done, you can turn in your “man card”.

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Accu-Tac introduces the new HD-50 Bipod.

For Immediate Release: Debuted at SHOT Show 2018, the Accu-Tac HD-50 (Heavy Duty 50BMG) is the newest product in the AccuTac family of Bipods and was designed specifically for use on 50 BMG caliber rifles. The HD-50 is our most robust bipod which is achieved by making the Arm Lock Lugs larger to withstand the heavy recoil of a 50 BMG. The HD-50 bipod also has the ability to Cant and has a very sturdy throw lever allowing you to adjust the tension and enhance the ability to lock the canting motion in to place. The legs can be extended into nine different height options and its wider center hub delivers more stability and strength to support larger heavy rifles.

& # 8211; MATERIAL: 6061 T6 Aluminum Alloy.

& # 8211; MIN STANCE: 13.5″ & # 8211; 342.9mm (Legs at 90 degree deployed) ​ ​

& # 8211; MAX STANCE: 17.5″ & # 8211; 444.5mm (Legs at 90 degree deployed)

& # 8211; CLOSED POSITION WIDTH: 5.5″ & # 8211; 139.7mm.

& # 8211; CLOSED POSITION LENGTH: 9.0″ & # 8211; 228.0mm.

& # 8211; COLOR : FLAT BLACK.

& # 8211; COATING: Type III – Hard Anodize.

The Accu-Tac HD-50 bipod will be available soon at all Accu-Tac dealers as well as Accu-Tac where you can also view our full line of world class bipods, bipod accessories, muzzle brakes and scope rings.. For more information please contact us at info@accu-tac .

Sneak Peek!! Battle Arms Development Ambi Charging Handle and 9mm Lower.

Battle Arms Development always comes out with some amazing stuff every year and this SHOT Show was no different. Today they introduced a new Ambi Charging Handle that has been in the works for over 2 years. With two utility patents already granted and a third pending you can definitely say that Battle Arms isn’t just a company making the same stuff as everyone else. They also introduced their new billet 9mm lower receiver which just roll off the machines. Check both of these out in the videos below.

Video by Steve Coulston of Guns and Tactics.

The following video further demonstrates the new Ambi Charging Handles function while in a firearm.

O Blog de armas de fogo.

As much as I would like to avoid discussing politics, the reality is politics influences the kinds of guns and gear that are available to us. Case in point: the Bullet Button.

Several new gun bills were recently passed and signed into law in The Golden State. One of them directly affects the legality of the Bullet Button.

If I may paraphrase the character of Dr. Ian Malcolm, gun owners will find a way. In this case there are two devices I am aware of that appear to be compliant under the new law: the AR Mag Lock and the Bullet Button Reloaded. Both seem to work in a similar manner.

With this device, the standard Bullet Button is replaced with a new unit that is fixed while the gun is assembled. A tool – like the pointy end of a .223 cartridge – will not release the magazine. However, when you pivot the upper from the lower, the Bullet-Button Reloaded will allow you to drop the magazine.

To help speed up the opening of the gun, the Bullet Button Reloaded is shown with an extended takedown pin.

No word on pricing, but the company will begin taking orders soon.

The AR Mag Lock has been around for several years, but doesn’t have the name recognition that Bullet Button has. Nathan S. talked about this back in March of 2014.

This device appears to work in a similar manner to the Bullet Button Reloaded, and the way the shooter reloads the gun appears to be identical. The true benefit is the device has been in use and any problems with the design have likely been worked out already.

These are ready for sale now. For $59.95, you get the magazine button replacement plus a new takedown pin.

The following video shows the AR Mag Lock in use:

Look – neither of these two systems are perfect, and both are incredibly slow compared to how the rifle is designed to be reloaded. But, they appear to be completely compliant under the new California law. Until such time as the laws change, these two products may be the best you can do in that state.

Of course, we never know what some ingenious machinist might come up with. People even came up with ways to restore the functionality of the original bullet button, so something better that works within the new laws may yet be invented.

Richard Johnson.

Um defensor das zonas de proliferação de armas, Richard é um atirador de longa data, ex-policial e empresário da Internet. Entre os muitos lugares que ele chama de casa é gunsholstersandgear /.

Remember in 1775, when the Colonials used “flint lock buttons” to keep their rifles compliant with British Regulation?

They used the buttons that made it go bang.

I’m glad they keep innovating. It’s great to see someone make a difficult situation work but it also sucks they have to deal with the situation to begin with.

I can see the third innovation now……. Clap your hands three times, spin around twice, curse Diane Fienstein 4 times, and jump on one foot for 3 minutes and the magazine will drop out.

Clap hands three times, move out of state.

There already is this wonderful innovation called a Uhaul truck. Load your stuff in it, drive across the border to Arizona or Nevada (or even farther), and stay there.

That`s what we`re doing.

True, move out of state… but here’s the thing…. the formation of the “several states” into a union had 10 basic rules for government… thou shall not restrict speech, infringe on arms, shall provide quick and public trials, etc….. 10 basic rules and aside from those rules, the states were free to be what the citizens of each wanted. But now that isn’t the case… states are infringing all over 1st and 2nd amendments, the patiot act gutted the 4th,6th and 8th amendments…. You should NOT have to vote with your feet for the exercise of the original 10 rules.

I agree, you shouldn’t have to, and it is a travesty that people do have to. But the reality of the matter is that they do. States like California do not recognize the Bill of Rights, and it’s unlikely that they will in the forseeable future. The only realistic option, if you live there and care about those rights, is to move. I was forced out of my native New York for the same reasons.

The Bill of Rights did not originally apply to states. Each of the original thirteen states had official state religions. The Fourteenth Amendment changed that, but it wasn’t officially recognized by the Supreme Court until 1925. The Second Amendment was not officially incorporated against the states until 2010, with McDonald v. City of Chicago.

Please send me some links to back up your statement…. i’m very interested to read, makes my head spin if true. :-/ I do recall MA had a state endorsed religion, but I thought that went away when they ratified the US Constitution.

The reply with links and graph are waiting for approval.

This is an important point when you run across the occasional gungrabber who brings up early, local gun bans and registration as evidence the right to keep and bear arms was never intended to be an individual right. They claim the fact that such things were allowed so soon after ratification proves the Founding Fathers only wanted official militias to have guns. The Bill of Rights simply did not apply to territories, states, and cities back then.

I don’t think the 2A applies to official militias only as well. Art 1, Sec 8 of US Const says Congess shall only allocate money for AN army for 2 years. Goes hand in glove with the citizens forming a militia on the spot defending while congress gets around to forming an army. We’ve perverted this intent by always budgeting for the military. Odd isn’t it that every two years, we have some “need” for our military. 1989, Russia failed, by 1991 we had war in Iraq. God forbid we don’t renew some defense spending bill and be viewed as unpatriotic or against our military. We have perpetual military when the original intent was an army only when needed.

He’s right, various court decisions have applied the Bill of Rights to the states through the 14th Amendment (I don’t remember the specific clause). And it was the 2010 case McDonald v. Chicago that finally confirmed that the 2nd Amendment applies.

And get out soon, before the value of the grossly overpriced real estate collapses due to oversupply. Sell high and move to the Midwest (except IL) and you’ll live a freer life, much cheaper.

Idaho is good too Evan.

even better, vote the libtards out and repeal the laws.

Or better yet Nicholas, make sure Hillary doesn’t get back in the white house.

I was assuming that was a given. Why would someone sane want to vote her in. I was thinking more of what California could do to help theirselves. But your right Rick. We can ill afford a Clinton presidency after the past two globalist presidents.

Don’t forget about Polosi’s dumb ass!

is the Ares SCR still legal in california as is?

Yes, as is the Mini-14, M1A, and any other mag fed semi auto that lacks a pistol grip or any other AW features.

And that’s great and all if you’re just into ARs – but what if you want a SCAR or a Tavor? That’s where you need these contrived mag-release gizmos. And please come up with something that will make a Tavor Connecticut legal.

How about moving out of a crappy state and embracing freedom? Why should mfgs cater to the few states with ridiculous restrictions? We’re placing money before our rights. Get some balls and take the state back or shore-up the numbers in a free state.

One: Because manufacturers like to make $$, and unfortunately those of us stuck in AWB states will pay a premium to get access to the arms we want, even if in slightly neutered form.

Two: Because bad ideas tend to spread – I mean, 10 years ago who would have thought that Colorado would be an Anti-2A state? Washington State also used to have a rep as a pretty 2A friendly place, despite Seattle. If we all leave and completely surrender places like CA, NY, CT, CO and WA, then those bad ideas will be coming to your state next. So help us fight them at the source.

What is the plan to fight them at the source? Gun owners are vastly outnumbered by the welfare dependents whose breeding they finance with their taxes, and the illegal immigrants who take the short step to become illegal voters. CA is lost. You are right that the idiocy spreads, when people raised in leftist states with leftist attitudes get fed up with the consequences of leftism and move to a non-leftist place, bringing their leftist attitudes with them and vote accordingly. What’s your plan to stop that dynamic? It’s an honest question, cause I don’t have a plan either.

Few? The population x purchasing power of persons in restrictive states is pretty darn high and increasing.

And why don’t YOU move? I grew up in ne Hampshire. I can promise you virtually EVERY state is more restrictive. If there was an article here on people in Texas, Virginia or Florida optimizing their carry rights under those states laws, how would you feel if people from NH just chimed in with : “Grows some balls and move out of crappy Texas or Virginia?”

I think kel-tec su-16 (ca compliant version) too.

The SU-16 A, B, and CA variants are all California compliant. Only the C and SBR models aren’t.

are 30 rd magazines still banned if we use a compliant rifle?

The question is moot.

Previously, preban magazines were legal to possess (and there was no way to tell which were preban, so some guys flaunted the law).

Now, all magazines over 10 rounds will be illegal to possess at all, even preban mags.

FYI, previously, it was legal to use preban mags in “featureless” compliant rights like the SU-16, but illegal to put them in a mag locked compliant guns like any rifle with a Bullet Button.

I guess it’s still legal, idk when the new laws take effect.

So the M14/M1A are legal, but, if, for instance, you put a Sage EBR/EMR stock or a Troy chassis, or any of the other pistol grip stocks on, does that exact same rifle that was legal in its stock configuration magically become illegal?

Yes, it’s insane. Taking a legal M1A barreled action out of its traditional wood stock and putting it in a stock with a pistol grip will instantly make you a felon. How exactly Californian politicians and voters think this will deter people intent on murder, I have no idea.

Based on the fact that that idiot babbles about ghost guns with .30 caliber magazine clips that fire off in half a second, it doesn’t really surprise me.

More deep thinking from the land of fruits and nuts.

Just convert it to a featureless rifle using the Thorsden stock. Then you can use a real mag release. Can’t wait until some jihadi in Commiefornia uses a neutered AR-15 for terrorist purposes. What will Commiefornia do then? Repeal the 2A?

Removable magazines are now a “feature.”

That was last term’s bill. This one just defines “fixed magazine ” as requiring action disassembly.

“Featureless” according to Kommiefornia law.

San Bernardino terrorists already did, they just converted their bullet-buttoned ARs back to regular functionality. Cost $5 to do so.

Same thing could be done with a revolver and gridlock traffic though, like the panhandlers just walk down the jammed street starting at the intersection going car to car for handouts, safe bet most people wouldn’t get out of their cars to run before it’s too late. And in SoCal, it is a near certainty that unless one of them is an off-duty cop, none of the civilians will be armed.

Primeiro & # 8211; the Second Amendment is LONG DEAD in CA. Second, why would anyone bent on committing MASS MURDER worry about keeping their rifle compliant with a stupid CA law? That’s what we keep telling the fools in Gov.

Judging by the kneejerk reaction to the Orlando massacre, pass a steaming pile of new laws that wouldn’t even have affected the previous spree killer.

They’re working on very hard on it.

Or, they could do like New York, and tell the state to sod off.

Im for air dropping arms and supplies to aid them in taking back their capitol, much more than I am for us doing so anywhere in the middle east.

I say we rint a plane, get a couple thousand standard cap mags and threaded barrels (and lots of parachutes) and drop them all across their capitol plaza.

I’ve always appreciated the way Apex products come with the label “Manufactured behind enemy lines in Los Osos, California”.

Yet they stay there.

I don’t approve of the semi-literate jackwagons who run my state, either, but like absolute hell am I gonna let ’em run me off.

Texas seems to be run by mostly sane people. I’ve never actually been there (apart from driving through the panhandle on I-40), but everything I’ve ever read makes Texas look like one of the most reasonable states in the country.

They’ve passed “voter ID” laws that are unambiguously designed specifically to disenfranchise poor people, Latinos, women, and the disabled; their constant attempts to use nickel-and-dime legislation to attack women’s reproductive rights shows they have just as little respect for the Bill Of Rights as gun-grabbing Democrats do, and are using the exact same incrementalist legislative strategies; they threw 250,000 children off of 100% free federal health insurance by letting a compliance bill expire– solely to thumb their nose at national Democrats– and spent that session time instead on voting to recognize Chips And Salsa as the Official State Snack; they illegally redrew congressional districts between censuses to create some of the most absurdly gerrymandered district lines in the nation to guarantee a “permanent majority” in a state with rapidly changing demographics, and actually said out loud that a main reason they did so was to get rid of one highly popular D Representative in Austin (a city which is now carved up into five districts ); they voted to cut the budget for the state Forestry Service– the agency charged with preventing and fighting wildfires– by over two thirds, one month before the Labor Day fires burned over four million acres of farms and ranches and neighborhoods and homes and an irreplaceable state park flat to the goddamn ground.

Guns are the one and only issue where the Texas Legislature aren’t some of the pettiest, most childish, most vicious congressional scumbags in America, and I ain’t gonna be a single issue voter in my own back yard when all the other scummy things they do have a hell of a lot bigger impact on my life and the lives of my family, especially not in a state where gun control legislation has about as much chance of passing as a cinder block through a chihuahua.

Killing your kids isn’t “reproductive health”, voter ID laws are basic common sense and don’t “disenfranchise” anyone, gerrymandering isn’t remotely illegal and happens in every state. So yeah, based on your own words, Texas seems pretty sane.

A fetus is not a child– that’s why there are different medical terms for each– and you do not, under any circumstances , have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own internal organs. Full stop, no exceptions. Would you stand by and smirk while a woman-controlled state legislature mandated that all males are required to be circumcised as infants for hygeine and required to have vasectomies at age 13 to prevent overpopulation, and have to jump through a gauntlet of punitive legal hoops to legally have their tubes reconnected? Não? Then stop pretending like you have some kind of right to legislate a stranger’s internal organs .

Voter ID laws are.

meant to prevent a kind of election fraud which has been prosecuted exactly six times since Texas became a state in 1845. Meanwhile, I had to drive my actual literal human being wife forty miles to the nearest DPS driver’s license office three times to get a state photo ID so she could vote, because the law was written to place additional barriers in front of married women who change their family name, and poor people who don’t have access to any one of the four required forms of proof of identity. Thank my Homeless-Born Hebrew Carpenter God we were able to afford three separate forty mile trips.

Redrawing congressional districts is expressly and specifically required by law to only be done every ten years, after a national census. In every state . They did it halfway through a census cycle because they knew damn well that they wouldn’t be able to maintain their artificial grip on power if the Latinos and po’ folk who are universally disadvantages by their policies were allowed to vote fairly. Oh, and to %#$& with Lloyd Dogget in particular, because they really hate that a widely popular Democrat constantly calls them out on their bovine effluvia.

…See, this is why this blog generally tries to avoid politics.

A fetus is by no means an “internal organ”. It is a human life. It is genetically distinct from its mother. Your argument is based entirely in emotion. The biology says you’re wrong. Whether or not abortion may be a social good is irrelevant, it is immoral in extremis, and nothing can excuse that. Now, there we’re at a full stop.

If you aren’t competent to register to vote or obtain a driver’s license, that is your own fault, and you probably ought not to make decisions that affect anyone else. Obtaining state ID is by no means hard to do. I’ve managed to get state IDs in New York, New Jersey, Washington, and Pennsylvania with no problem whatsoever. I vote in PA, which has a voter ID law, and it’s no burden at all. And when I moved here and obtained my PA driver’s license, I was fresh out of college and didn’t have a car or a job.

Gerrymandering is a fact of politics. Acostume-se com isso. Both parties do it, and they do it in all 50 states. I live in a gerrymandered district as well, one of those “majority minority” districts designed so that people where I live’s votes are irrelevant. Again, get over it.

Morals are by and large subjective, which is why we generally don’t pass laws based on “morality”.

If you were so correct on abortion, then there wouldn’t be the controversy that there is and it would be an easy slam-dunk legislation to outlaw it entirely.

Morals are objective, and most of the laws we pass are rooted on morality – the overwhelming majority of things that are illegal are illegal because they’re immoral.

That something may be prima facie true does not necessarily make it easy to legislate. The abortion industry has deep pockets and a lot of people who would rather go with their convenient answer rather than the correct one. It’s actually quite similar to the gun issue. We know gun control doesn’t work, there’s really no question as to that. Why haven’t we gotten rid of it? Because some people choose to believe foolish things in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

You’re correct– presuming that you have some kind of right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies is, indeed, objectively immoral, in addition to being more authoritarian and totalitarian than Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton could ever dream of being.

I accept your apology.

A fetus is a lump of cells in a body which does not belong to you . The heart of the Second Amendment is the right to protect oneself and one’s community from attack, because if you don’t have the right to defend yourself you don’t have any rights. Bodily autonomy is the exact same thing; if you don’t have the right to control your own literal flesh, you have no rights at all.

FOR THE CHILDREN!!1!

is the same argument the gungrabbers make.

I have absolutely no problem with aborting a “lump of cells” but that’s a blastocyst, not a fetus. I have no problem with medical abortion, which includes embryos. Still not a fetus. My support for abortion falls exponentially from the time surgical abortion is necessary to none at all at viability. Abortion becomes surgical at about 8 weeks because the unborn child is a fetus then.

Full Definition of fetus.

: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth.

I see you also have “no problem with” The State being so intrusively totalitarian that it literally controls its subjects’ internal organs. Sorry, but that is double-plus unacceptable in a free society.

You can’t deal with fact that a fetus is neither a “lump of cells” nor an internal organ, can you?

You really can’t deal with the fact that women are actual human beings who have the same human rights you do, can you?

That’s the worst attempt at justification for partial birth abortion I’ve ever seen. What man has the right to stab a baby in the head as it’s born?

TIL “women are actual human beings” is an “attempt at justification”. Good to know, I guess, that in addition to supporting invasive totalitarianism, you also don’t consider half the human race to actually be human .

Changing your story again? I said I was opposed to post-viability abortion AKA partial birth abortion. You claimed it was a human right. What human has the right to stab a baby in the head as it’s born?

That’s a pretty sweet tactic, moving the goalposts yourself and then blaming the other guy when the teams start running in a different direction.

I didn’t move any goalposts; You can’t read or you don’t know what you’re defending. “My support for abortion falls exponentially from the time surgical abortion is necessary to none at all at viability.” (Oh wow look, I quoted something that I actually wrote.)

…Also, I seriously have better things to do with my day than continue giving you a platform for declaring yourself a terrible person and a fan of totalitari anism, so I’m done here. Go ahead and have your precious Last Word™ and pat yourself on the back for Winning The Internet– I & # 8217; m out.

I didn’t force you to embarrass yourself here.

“…a platform for declaring yourself a terrible person…”

Says the person who is arguing FOR murdering a child…for convenience no less!

I wasn’t aware men had the Right to murder innocent unborn infants! :/

Rape, incest, high risk of death to the mother, severe birth defects…OK, justified and I understand and have no problem. Abortions on demand to kill innocent unborn humans because someone couldn’t keep their legs together or wear protection…not justified and NOT OK! That’s tantamount to taking your little 3 year old girl out back and putting a bullet in her head because you just don’t want her anymore.

I’m seeing an awful lot of blahblahblah here that all adds up to you failing to understand that other people besides you have rights.

Remember to think in Newspeak, comrade– the totalitarian state you support will be less likely to decide you don’t have any rights as long as you play along.

I have read the Constitution many times and I’ve yet to read the part where states that ANYONE has the Right to murder just because they believe they have the Right! 😐

Again, your attempt to define a fetus as an “internal organ” of the mother lacks any scientific basis. You take a biopsy of any and all of my internal organs, you get the same DNA profile. You take a biopsy of any and all the internal organs of a pregnant woman AND a biopsy of her fetus, you will find two different DNA profiles. Sorry, you lose.

A “lump of cells”. And now we come back to the most pressing question about this “lump of cells” & # 8211; whose DNA do they have? If this “lump of cells” has the same DNA as the mother, then it is clearly a part of her body and she ought to do with it as she wills. If it does not share the mother’s DNA profile, then it is clearly a separate human being, with all the inherent rights as such.

I agree, bodily autonomy is absolutely paramount – where we disagree here is that I believe that bodily autonomy only applies to one’s own body, whereas you seem to believe that another life being carried inside one’s body is subject to summary execution at the will of the mother. If only you felt the same way about the terrorists at Guantanamo Bay…

A fetus is a child in it’s very early stages of development, it’s a developmental title, not a state of being. Just like a caterpillar is a early stage of development of a butterfly! Even though it doesn’t yet look like a butterfly…it’s still a developing butterfly.

The whole “fetus’ are not really human, so that makes it OK to kill them” is the EXACT same rational that the Nazis used to justify killing undesirables!!

A fetus is not an internal organ! A female is not born with a fetus, and it does not fulfill any biological process other than creating a new developing human, that’s why there are 23 chromosomes FOREIGN to the mother body!

These are biologically and factually baseless claims by pro-abortion people in an attempt to justify killing an unwanted developing human for CONVIENIENCE and has NOTHING to do with “reproductive rights”.

You say that no one has “the right to tell other what they can and cannot do with their own internal organs”.

Why then do we have laws against controlled/banned substances? It’s the person’s own internal organs…right?

You might answer with “because many of those substances cause the user to affect others negatively”.

I say in response: “BINGO”!

So, your wife never buys anything or does any activity that requires a photo ID? She has never driven since she changed her name? No alcohol, cigarettes, renting most things and a whole laundry list of tasks that require a photo ID? There has to be extenuating circumstances in her case that you are not mentioning to cause her “difficulty”. I have to drive just about as far to do the same thing and I got my ID no problem. The fact is, photo ID puts no more of a “barrier” to people poor or otherwise than requiring a photo ID on any number of other Rights!

Since Democrats like to compare the US to other countries when it suits them, I will do the same in this instance: We are one of the very few nations to NOT require a photo ID to vote.

So I can put you down as supporting mandatory prison time for any man who expels millions of potential.

anywhere other than his legally married wife for purposes of procreation? Good for the goose, good for the gander, after all. A lump of cells is not a person, and the fact that you consider a zygote to have more rights than an actual factual human being says pretty much all anyone needs to know about you as a person.

You do not have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot do with their own internal organs. Full stop .

OK, a little biology 101 for you 😉 It takes a Mommy and a Daddy to fertilize an egg and ultimately create a new human child. Daddy’s sperm on their own do not, Mommy’s egg on it’s own does not.

The “logic” in your example would make it illegal for nocturnal emissions(wet dreams). Not a very smart example :/

A tumor is a lump of cells, a fetus is a developing human…only a simple-minded fool would compare the two.

The fact that you are willing to murder a child for convenience says all we need to know about you as a person and your value of human life.

Society has EVERY Right to tell people they cannot murder. FULL STOP.

The “extenuating circumstances” are disabilities that, yes, prevent her from driving anymore. The disabled– a number which, thanks to the cow ardly chickenhawks running the country in the first decade of the century, includes rather quite a lot of combat veterans– are also disenfranchised by Voter ID laws, because they don’t have the same access to “only open on alternating Thursdays from 2PM-4PM forty miles away” sort of government services that everyone else has. The barrier isn’t the requirement for an ID in and of itself, the barrier is that those IDs cost money some people don’t have, and take time some people can’t spare from work or childcare, and require traveling some people can’t do without undue burden, and require multiple forms of verification some people can’t obtain easily. All of those people are still US citizens who still have the same Constitutional rights everyone else has. Nobody protested the old requirement that you bring your voter registration card and have the signature on it match the one on the voter list at the polling place because it didn’t impose any burden beyond “has been verified to live primarily in a certain precinct and has a valid mailing address”, and that worked well enough that the kind of voter impersonation that Voter ID laws claim to prevent had only been prosecuted– and I cannot stress this enough– six times in 170 years.

“The disabled … are also disenfranchised by Voter ID laws”

From Texas’ EIC website:

“If you are voting by mail, you do not have to submit a photo ID.

“If you have a documented disability, you may apply at your county voter registrar for a permanent exemption from the photo ID requirement. If approved, you will not need a photo ID to vote.”

“those IDs cost money some people don’t have”

From the same page:

“If you do not have any of the following acceptable forms of ID, beginning June 26, 2013, you may apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) at no charge.”

“and take time some people can’t spare from work”

How does someone properly fill out the required I9 form to get a job without an ID?

If you honestly don’t understand how “having the time, money, and ability to travel to a doctor’s office to obtain a medical certification of disability” and “having the time, money, and ability to travel to the Voter Registrar’s office to apply for an exemption” and “hurry up and wait while we review your information, with no statutory requirement to actually do so at all, much less in a timely manner” are still barriers to exercising voting rights, then I’m not sure I can help you.

Who are you quoting? Is that the only point you want to your excuse for? Cost of an EIC? Job with no ID?

And by the way, I am a disabled combat veteran who lives more than 200 miles from the nearest VA hospital, more than 60 miles from the nearest tuesday-only VA clinic. I know a lot about “having the time, money, and ability to travel to a doctor’s office to obtain a medical certification of disability.” I doubt you could help me with anything.

Então, & # 8230; you already know– from personal experience– exactly how and why you’re wrong about this, but you’re still arguing the point because…?

Arguing implies you’ve made any valid points to argue against. You gave up on two of the points I destroyed, and you’re desperately deflecting the third. I live far from VA facilities, but there are many doctors in the little desert town I live in. If your wife is so disabled, why don’t you live near some doctors?

So, you want Texas to become California?

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Meaning you’re embarrassed to admit you admire California?

Meaning you’re embarrassed to admit you touch yourself inappropriately when you think of Hi tler?

You’re off the deep end. A liberal Dem in Texas. Poor bastard.

You’re off the deep end. A ki ddie p orn enthusiast who literally wants to live in Sta linist Russia. Poor bastard.

Respectfully I disagree on a number of your points. Like you I am a political moderate who strong supports the bill of rights including the second amendment’s clear and explicit prohibition on infringement of the individual’s right to keep and bear arms1) Voter fraud in the US is an issue. It is a red herring on your part to trot out the number of successful prosecutions when the fact si that there are so few successfully prosecuted cases is in good part due to the lack of strong voter ID. I’ve lived and worked in a dozen countries, and all of them have biometric strong voter ID. The claim that the UK, France, Germany, Japan, Australia are massively disenfranchising people through voter ID is not a sober claim.

2) On abortion I believe in choice. But I also am glad there are people arguing the other side. Just as I believe a one month fetus is not a child, I also know an eight month one is certainly human life, every nation, including the most “progressive” has some limits on term length for at will abortion. Almost all are 23 to 26 weeks. Sensible people in every developed democracy know this is a simply a conflict between rights with no “bright line” and that a messy compromise has to result. My sister in law was working at CNN last year when a seven month pregnant woman had her unborn baby cut from her womb and killed. The woman who was the copywriter for the story was a friend of hers and very pro choice. She wrote unborn baby in the copy and headline slug and it ran that way. There was then an uproar at CNN and headline and lede was changed to “fetus.” The fact is anyone who has seen an ultrasound of an 7 or 8 month fetus knows it is a “baby” and not “a mass of tissue.” On the other side of the argument it is common sense and basic human history that the lack of choice has been used to subjugate women, and pervasively so, and that a two month fetus is in common sense not a person. Again the problem is the science itself is muddy, and we are stuck with a messy compromise, but messy compromises are sometimes the best choice.

You can always tell when a person is a Liberal and has no valid rebuke when they start with the “Oh yeah? Well, you’re a poo poo head!” insults! :/

You can always tell when a person hasn’t actually read the thread before they comment.

My reply wasn’t over the entire thread…only that particular post.

Actually, while I’m here…you are slightly baffling. In one post you seem relatively Conservative(Liberty, pro-2A, Etc), but in another I get Liberal nuances(Pro-abortion, anti-voter ID, Etc).

Can you shed some light for me? Maybe I’m misreading you? 😐

People like you need to stay in California. When you move out you spread this cancer.

I was born less than a mile from our big pink State Capitol, amigo– where the hell are you from?

How is it that someone from Texas would be so Liberal? Oh…Austin, that explains it!

I own too many guns and have too long a list of reasons I’m willing to use them without hesitation to be “Liberal”, sorry. Try some different empty buzzwords, maybe one of ’em’ll stick eventually.

Hence the reason we are moving from Rhode Island, another Democrat stronghold where AR - 15s are still legal amazingly but the totally incompetent governor. her minions are diligently working to make illegal. We bought in Texas and move next week.

We actually have plenty of arms, way more than our masters are wiling to admit to. If every firearm owner in the state were to visit SackOfTomatoes at the same time the fools would run for their safe space behind their armed security.

I keep hearing pundits say there are “300 million” guns in the US, and I laugh every time, because y’all? That ain’t even countin’ all the legal guns– millions more of which are manufactured every year– and milled-out 80% lowers that aren’t on paper anywhere, much less all the illegally manufactured and imported guns.

Well the estimate was about 220 million back in the 90s. The current estimate is based on that, plus all known manufactured firearms.

Honestly though, home made guns and illegally imported/made guns are dwarfed by the massive number of guns manufactured by the big national companies. Since it’s an estimate, there’s a degree of uncertainty far larger than that.

What I’m curious about is the rate of loss of guns. Aside from a recent spree of boating accidents, I wonder about guns that are lost in the woods, rusted, worn out, broken without replacement parts, Kaboom’d, etc.

Confiscated, buy back, impounded, evidence, lockers, etc.

It is likely there are 400 million today, And estimates in the 90s ran up to 325 million.

Technical question: possible to make an upper that lets an AR load like an SKS?

No. You could make something that could mate to an AR-lower, but to make a top-loaded AR would require you to redesign the entire action of the weapon so that you can top load it (and not to mention, losing the ability to mount optics in the process).

You need an M1941 Johnson style lower. Better than en-block clips and still going strong.

Yeah, a fixed rotary mag loaded from the side with stripper clips would be pretty cool.

Precisely! And with the side loading gate, stripper clips can keep it continuously topped off!

I’m personally still not sold on detachable magazines; an internal rotary magazine fed by stripper clips sounds fantastic.

You young folks have no idea how well it works. In the M1941 system the loading gate is on the side so it can be recharged with a round in the chamber loaded or partially charged. This is without ever hitting a beat and ALWAYS having a live round in the chamber to go down range, this is what Alex C. did not comprehend or understand with his “Run and Gun” featuring the M1941. It is the perfect marriage of the Krag style side loading gate, Mannlicher rotary magazine, Mauser’s stripper clip, a reliable short recoil system, and sturdy rotary locking lugs. What is there not to like? Melvin Johnson was a true genius. As an aside Melvin had Eugene Stoner use the multi lug rotating bolt in . something called an AR10. As far as a detachable magazine Melvin was way ahead of Eugene. On the Johnson Automatic Rifle, the select fire versions, the feed lips are on the receiver and not the magazine. There are far fewer malfunctions from defective/damaged magazines that way. The Johnson Automatic Rifle puts the BAR to shame and I believe is superior to the Fg42.

I don’t think it would be that difficult to design a stripper clip fed AR upper. The bolt carrier already locks to the rear on empty and has no gas piston or anything else that would prevent top loading. Yeah, you’d lose the rail space directly over the magazine, but the rear of the receiver and the hand guard could still have rails. Look at the AR-57.

At that point you could just buy a FAL with a stripper-clip dust cover.

Too retrograde. Look at the M1941 Johnson rifles side loaded rotary magazine.

where would the charging handle go?

It might not have to go anywhere if you just make pulling it back part of the reload. This would also help seal the top of the action.

The alternative is a featureless build, which allows the use of a detachable magazine, but no pistol grip(s), flash hider (muzzle brakes and compensators are fine), or telescoping/folding stock. A fixed stock AR, AK, FAL, G3, etc. variant can be made CA compliant by swapping the flash hider for a brake and putting a piece of kydex on the grip that prevents the user from wrapping their thumb around it. I have a couple of rifles set up like this and it works decently enough.

Ares SCR and we can still us AR uppers. Now if they’d just offer them without a flash hider attached.

why would anybody chose to have a pistolgrip and flash hider if they have to have one of those stupid bullet button or this new thingamaging?

and compensating a .223? what are you new york times journalists?

Heck that ares with a wooden stock even kinda looks like a real rifle and not the M(atel)4 look people seem to dig.

Well, a comp doesn’t count as a flash hider. So it helps with remaining featureless whilst still having a muzzle device.

AFAIK, compensators aren’t considered flash hiders under any of the idiotic state level “assault weapon” bans, so they can be pinned/welded on a shorter barrel to put it over 16 inches. Linear compensators in particular are a darn fine feature on a short barrel, since they throw the gahdawful loud muzzle blast downrange instead of at everyone in the next two lanes on either side.

The only reason I built some “Bullet button”ARs is because I saw this coming. A magazine release is a safety feature. Once I register them it will allow me to have all the features I want with a magazine release too. And it will be part of a message that this nonsense law is just creating more “assault weapons”.

Other people did it because a bullet button doesn’t slow you down much at the range and pistol grips are more comfortable then the grip less options.

Well, since they can’t have a flash hider, they can either use a compensator or nothing at all.

When I was in CA, I eventually went ‘featureless’ with an Exile Machine Hammerhead, fixed Ace stock, and brake. Honestly, I hated the Hammerhead.

The Thordsen FRS-15 came out later. I have handled one, but not fired it. Honestly, I liked the feel so much that I think people in free states should at least hold one. I genuinely liked it.

I’m an AK guy, so I just use the Solar Tactical kydex grip wraps on my AK variants. It’s an infringement and a nuisance, but a minor one that I can live with. Not being able to buy bulk ammo online anymore is the major infringement here. I’m moving to a freer state ASAP.

Everything old is new again. Look at the M1941 Johnson rifle. It passes on all counts, can be continuously fed single rounds or stripper clips and comes in 30-06!!

New production Johnson m1941s please! In 223, 300blk, 308 and the classic 30’06.

Preferably with different barrel lengths available.

Old hat. By the quick change barrel swap out 30-06, to 270 Winchester, to 7 X 57 mm Mauser. Melvin Johnson lives on.

M1 Garand still legal in Commiefornia. At least for the moment.

The M1 rifle is a good weapon system. I can put more aimed fire down range with the M1941. The real problem with the M1941 is it’s poor rear sight such as on a Reising.

Charger loading systems seem clumsy to me. Good enough for a properly set up 5 shot bolt action, but grossly inferior for a larger capacity semi-automatic.

Try it and you will like it. Once you become proficient with both the enbloc clip loading technique of the M1 rifle and the charger side loaded rotary magazine of the M1941, the M1941 wins. The downside to the rotary magazine of the M1941 is it’s bulky, portly, appearance of a pregnant rhino.

Estou um pouco confuso. I thought the existing AR-15s had to be registered as assault weapons. Assuming someone is doing that, why then neuter the gun at that point with a locking device?

And if you are NOT going to register the gun, does this somehow nullify that since by locking the magazine to the gun makes it essentially a fixed magazine thus no longer making it an “assault weapon”?

It’s not “evil” unless the mag is unlocked. So, the old bullet button, by old law, was a locking device, as it required a tool to remove the mag. New law says that you need to disassemble the receiver, so a bigger takedown pin, and “BB-reloaded” is also kosher, until Sacramento freaks out again.

Obrigado. That’s Interesting. That’s really gonna put a kink in their socialist craw!

I’m just glad I can live and put beans on my plate in a free state.

Sim. If you register a bullet button rifle, you don’t have to otherwise neuter it, but then you can never sell it in-state, will it to your kids, etc.

Fixing the mag, as this device does, removes it from “assault weapon” category, allowing you more freedom with what you do with it, at the expense of functionality.

ARES SCR, It’s your time to shine. Hey TFB Peeps! Make James’ review go viral.

Why not the Kel-Tec SU-16? Fewer caliber options, but works just as well (maybe even better) for a much cheaper package.

I looked at Ke-tec before deciding in Ares, Firstly the right side charge was a major drawback. On my Ares lower I can put any AR15 upper, including a left side charger which makes way more sense. the balance on the ares was a lot better when holding with right hand and with an extended mag release all operations can easily be done with the left while maintaining firing grip with right hand.

Understandable. Like I said about the caliber options. However, if you just want to shoot 5.56/.223, then the SU-16 is a good, economic, contender.

Why not just do one of the following:

-make an upper with a cutout in the top so that you can use stripper clips.

-make an side charging bolt action upper (+ you save weight on removing the gas system and using no buffer weight).

Now that there are multiple options for side charging uppers, the second option would probably be the first one to see use in the wild.

I haven’t seen anyone take a dremel to an upper to use stripper clips, but im sure someone will soon. Simultaneously, we’ll see increasing incidences of “Arf thumb”.

All this assuming no lawsuits are filed and if they are, eventually rejected by 9th.

And inherent freedom, but only if you comply.

Why someone hasnt designed a rifle that takes 10 rd 5.56mm stripper clips is a bit of a surprise to me.

Back in the 1990’s someone (I don’t remember who) marketed a Mini-14 accessory that did exactly what you are talking about.

IIRC the charger guide fastened to the Mini-14 receiver similar to some of the aftermarket scope mounts, by replacing the side plate on the receiver which covers the bolt-hold open mechanism.

I wonder what kind of idiocy CA would come up with if someone went on a shooting rampage with a 24″ .38/.357 “high capacity” lever action (and a second slung on his back).

Heck, a regular old 18″ pump shotgun, such as the one used by the navy yard shooter is all any terrorist would need to inflict mass carnage.

These laws are so stupid it boggles the mind.

I understand the desire to refuse, but it’s a personal choice and a large risk. Noncompliance only works as a method of change if done in large enough numbers for long enough. I mean, it seems to be working for marijuana, right? It only took a few decades, and countless arrests of nonviolent offenders.

Noncompliance was over 90% in New York, and pretty damn high in Connecticut as well. I haven’t heard anything about mass arrests (or even singular arrests). I am originally from NY, and every friend I asked “did you register/modify your weapons” after the SAFE act (I had moved to America by then) just laughed.

Hell, even Australia had.

80% non-compliance in 1996.

The crime rate, both gun related and non-gun related went up dramatically after the so-called ‘buy back’ [read: weapons confiscation]

…And after the brief surge in violent crime which always– always — follows major national gun control laws anywhere in the world, it went right back to where it had been before that massive confiscation scheme. Gun-grabbers try to hold Australia up as some kind of proof of the alleged effectiveness of gun control laws, but in fact the average year-on-year statistics only prove that such laws have no practical effect on violent crime.

I’m sorry, but the Thordsen UBBT mag spikes and UBML lower and far superior to either of these designs. Mags have bullet button tools installed on the bases and mags can be dropped from the LEFT HAND SIDE. Can someone please explain the new laws for a simpleton like me? Would that system no longer work?

From what I understand:

In short, rifles with Bullet Buttons will now be “Assault Weapons”. Current owners will be allowed to register & keep their rifles, with severe restrictions on transport & use (like all “assault weapons” in CA). These ‘grandfathered’ rifles will NOT be transferable (again, standard in CA). After the law takes effect, it will be illegal to sell a rifle with a BB.

Using a system like in the article allows Californians to continue owning AR-15s without any additional restrictions.

I hear ya, but an even safer option would be to convert to a noncompliant configuration while in the desert, and then convert back before driving home. It would add about 2 (tedious) minutes to your day.

And when I was in CA in 2013, and it seemed like a new federal AWB might be coming, I traded my 9mm 1911 for a Glock 34 and a few magazine rebuild kits (disassembled 17 round magazines). I later noticed that it was a “blue label” Glock, meaning the guy I traded with was probably a LEO, which also explained why he wasn’t worried about giving up his full-cap mag kits. He was exempt from any AWB, and could always buy more. The point is that I had no idea he was LE until later. You never know who might be a few lanes over.

Agreed, but not an option for everyone. Some people have ties, connections. I lived in CA for 3.5 years. I hated it and wanted out, but my options were to stick it out or get a divorce.

A divorce from a woman who wont move to the free world would be preferable than living in the land of fruits and nuts.

You seem rational.

I’m glad you agree.

You seem observant.

You seem like a troll.

Ahh, a student of irony as well, I see!

You sure are a warm, friendly person.

We had been together for over 8 years when she accepted the job offer. She had just earned her Master’s in Computer Science. New grads are lucky to get a 6 figure job offer with a major company, and moving to Silicon Valley for a few years was a smart career move. She was contractually obligated to work for them for 2 years, and it took a while after that to find a position back on the east coast. We’ve been out of CA for almost 2 years now.

She now works for Lockheed Martin. I don’t know much about her job there, but it’s something about aerospace.

Hey, if putting your career ahead of your rights is how you want to roll, by all means, do so.

My woman is from NJ. I told her if she wanted to live together she either came to the free state of Pa, or it wasnt happening. She moved. Now we’re together, happy and I can actually own a gun with a detachable magazine.

Hey, if putting a few pieces of plastic ahead of your family is how you want to roll, by all means, do so.

It’s important to know where your priorities are. I wouldn’t want to live in NJ, but people matter more to me than machines.

And we didn’t lose our rights, they were just (partially) suspended for a while. I still had drop free magazines, just limited to 10 rounds, and my rifle had a funky grip. Fwiw, NJ’s AWB isn’t as bad as CA’s.

Yes, the rights of myself and others are 100000000x more important than any woman i may be, might have, or ever will date.

Really I have to respectfully disagree. Do you say the same of people living in Texas, Virginia, Pennsylvania which have more restrictions on the second amendment than New Hampshire (where I grew up)?

I’m not familiar with New Hampshire gun laws. I live in Pa though, and our gun rights are very strong.

My point is NH has much more respect for the second amendment.

How does moving out of CA protect the rights of others?

Where to live is a personal decision with personal consequences. You keep trying to make a personal housing decision sound like a grandiose struggle for liberty.

And as said, we didn’t lose out rights, just put them into storage for a bit. It was a hard time to go through, but it’s over.

Likewise, spending 2 weeks in a hospital last year was tough, but we got through it, too. Oh yeah, I wasn’t armed then, either. You better hope you don’t get injured or seriously sick, since since a gun at your side seems to be your highest priority.

I’m pretty sure i’ve made my point clear. Do what makes you happy.

NJ requires permits to buy any firearms whatsoever. CA doesn’t. Both are horrible states that no reasonable person would live in by choice. I lived in NJ for a few years in my teens, and CA for a few years in the Marine Corps. I go to NJ a couple times a year to visit my parents, or drive through from PA to upstate NY, and you couldn’t pay me enough to set foot in California again.

This makes it look like you don’t understand what communism is and you don’t get people actually vote for these politicians. The NRA and their ilk have you so worked up you think every battle is all or none, so guess what battles are being fought now? All or none. All the rhetoric and fear mongering is paying off, just not for the NRA.

When the only discourse you have is all or none and the like it becomes that. Hopefully, some owners are more rational, this argument is destined to fail.

Blah, blah, blah son.

Yeah, words are hard.

Eventually, you’ll go somewhere else and bother someone else.

Now you’re the victim? How droll.

Not for you they aren’t. For a Troll in favor of gun control who want’s to argue the advocacy of gun control on a forum called The Firearms Blog, words are a great way of stirring up conflict and fighting heroic mock battles against your ideological “enemies” and claiming victory again and again in your own mind.

You use the word “troll” because you can’t refute anything. If I was trolling you, I’d type a lot less. But then again I don’t think you know what the word really conveys, it’s just easier for you to carry on not having to think. It’s become the comment section switch for cognitive dissonance.

Everyone advocates gun control if you have one rule about them. It’s the degrees that matter. I own guns, I carry guns, I used them for my vocation. I still believe we can place better controls on them.

So respond with substance or embrace the irony of your blather.

I’ve already responded to your statement, “Remember, having a gun is not a natural born right, it’s not a universal law or constant. It is something society as a whole deems fit for you.”

And I responded with substance to that statement but my response would be meaningless to someone as enamored of his own opinions as you obviously are. I could suggest that you go back and read my response but it wouldn’t change your closed mind. The mind is like a parachute, it has to be open to work properly.

You type a lot and say nothing. It’s a gift.

Every battle IS all or none when it comes to firearms. The Liberal tactic, which is so simple it boggles the mind and so effective that in a Lib state there is virtually no defense against it, is to take a little each time and give nothing in return. Lather, rinse, repeat. That is the Lib definition of compromise, and CA gun owners have compromised until they have little left while the other side has lost nothing. We are at war, folks, and this is how wars are lost.

Sorry but CA gun owners have let things get this far without major opposition. Now you want the NRA to “bail” you out of the mess you created, with money from out of state donations no less? Elections have consequences. Consequently, your state is well and truly a lost cause. If you can’t get your act together now, I fail to see how an outside group would be any more effective.

How many hardcore, serious gun owners live in CA? I mean, the ones who care about the 2A. Compare that to the total population. I think their just simply outnumbered.

I voted a straight R ticket when I lived in CA in 2012. You think it made any difference? No, but I did enjoy casting a ballot against Feinstein!

I was stationed in California in the Marine Corps, and I bought my first rifle – an M1A – há. I even traded some M16 mags I had for a couple of 20 round M14 mags with a gun shop owner who was a Vietnam vet. Are M14/M1A variants still legal in CA? Not that I ever intend to go back there, I’m just curious.

They are for now, you either buy a CA compliant version new or replace the flash suppressor with a muzzle brake on a normal one and you’re good.

need a ar variant fed by stripper clips.

It’s really not possible with the AR without opening the action on a fixed mag (I have seen this mod with a “fixed” 100 round drum).

Strippers load through the top. There are mechanicals and structure on the top of the AR.

a fast way to get around the law is to rig the AR to take a stripper clip similar to the M1 garand’s do.

Sure, just mill off the top of the upper receiver and the gas tube. Rápido. Simples.

The inability to understand the importance of compromise will leave you with nothing.

Certo. My point here is that we’re not talking about actual compromise. We’re talking about giving up our rights gradually instead of at once. When we give into their nonsense, we gain nothing and they lose nothing. What, do you consider it “compromise” if they say that flash hiders aren’t going to appear on the new arbitrary list of banned features on rifles? So they back off very slightly, we still lose elements of a very important right without gaining anything, and then in six months, the next time they decide to push for more gun control, this time the flash hiders are banned, and they “compromise” by allowing rifles with polymer stocks to still be legal…for now. This isn’t a marriage, we’re dealing with people acting in bad faith and on zero knowledge trying to take our rights away because of their own phobias and lack of understanding.

You’re going to lose all of your rights because it’s the only battle you fight. When you draw a line in the sand and say “I will never compromise,” don’t be shocked if the argument doesn’t pull right up to that line in the sand and become all about that. Then, if society deems it, you must actually fight that battle constructed for rhetorical effect. You can’t pull back from the all or none fight after that, you can’t broker for compromise when the entire argument is based on not compromising.

Remember, having a gun is not a natural born right, it’s not a universal law or constant. It is something society as a whole deems fit for you. The same society that grants a right can remove a right.

There is a vast amount of space between all or none. Sure the rhetoric and false drama injected by the ilks of the NRA generates money and the power that comes with it. But one day there could be a tipping point and then it will be none.

When you treat people wanting to have effective background checks the same as you treat people who want every firearm melted into slag and none ever to be made again, well, you’re the problem in that equation. It’s just kicking the can down the road at that point.

Right, you’re still missing the point here. You say “compromise”. History has shown that “compromising” on gun rights just means giving up our rights piecemeal in exchange for absolutely nothing. You may be okay with that, but I am not. The ability to defend one’s self – including owning the tools necessary to do so – is indeed a natural human right, as much as any other is. I am a free man, a citizen. Free men own weapons. Subjects and slaves do not. I would no more compromise my right to bear arms than I would my right to free speech.

The people howling for what you call “effective background checks” (although reality has shown them to be entirely ineffective, as criminals by definition will obtain their firearms illicitly) are the same people who want universal confiscation. They realize, however, that universal confiscation is not politically feasible at the moment, so they call for these universal background checks, which would make me a felon for shooting a friend’s gun and having him shoot mine when we go to the range. This is plainly backdoor registration. Registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation.

Quite frankly, the government has no business knowing how many guns I own, to say nothing of the makes, models, and serial numbers. I am not a criminal and do not appreciate being treated as one.

I find it quite ironic that you speak of kicking the can down the road. The type of appeasement you talk about is akin to the Jewish “leadership” of the Warsaw ghetto, aiding and abetting the Nazis as they murdered hundreds of thousands in a futile attempt to save a few. When you tell these people “oh, I’ll give up this right, and I’ll give up that scary looking gun there, and this standard capacity magazine, and that pistol grip, and these lead bullets….” the end result is a 10 year wait to buy a popgun, with the stipulation that you agree to warrantless searches of your property whenever the state feels the need.

When the law of the land says guns are illegal, then what? What if The Constitution is amended to say as such? That is exponentially more likely than someone resurrecting Hitler or whatever the scenario is. Will you honor The Constitution then? Or only when it suits you? You’ve been amped up on rhetoric so much you can’t even think objectively.

Let’s be perfectly clear here, the only time in US history guns have been used against the government was to defend the institution of slavery.

The rest, yeah, you’re grasping.

Uau. Read a book-please!

Critical Thinking for Dummies might be a good start…

Aww, poor you. Hurt feelings? Internet warriors running their mouth, nothing to see.

Sorry, little boy-guess that one is over your head. Get back to us when you’re grown up enough for us to actually call you Mister.

You’re not even making-sense by your bizarre rules.

What’s the hyphen for?

I’ve been wondering that one myself. A few posts now.

Ok, so it seems you don’t understand metaphor very well. Or history that matter, if you think the Civil War was the only time in US history guns were ever used against the government (there have been several of them, starting with this little spat between 1775-1781 that you ought to have heard of, that, incidentally, started when the government sent troops to confiscate guns in Concord, Mass).

It is politically impossible to amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment. That’s why gun grabbers attempt to use the type of piecemeal legislation that you apparently support. Chip away here, chip away there, the end game is the same effect as an outright repeal. And “compromise” only means “giving into whatever unpalatable piece of legislation they’re currently using to diminish my rights under the banner of ‘common sense'”.

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, it doesn’t create it. The right to defend one’s self, and to own the tools to do so, is what I (and the Founders) considered a natural right.

I’m maybe suggesting bringing up Hitler’s ghost to add weight to your story is unreasonable and I am well aware of the likelihood of an Amendment being revoked. I have stated many times, here as a fact, people will most likely nullify it by case law or inject laws into the system than make it effectively defunct. But it’s still a more realistic story than someone unleashing genocide on America in 2016.

Rights are constructs of society. Período. Do you think a bear gives a warm bucket of piss about your rights? Chlamydia? A tornado? People have no rights but those granted by others.

“I have stated many times, here as a fact, people will most likely nullify it by case law or inject laws into the system than make it effectively defunct. & # 8221;

In other words, people will “compromise” the 2nd Amendment to death.

I would be willing to accept a true compromise in some areas, if I could trust that it wouldn’t be eroded. However, I haven’t seen any compromises offered, just more attempts to “inject laws into the system that make it effectively defunct.” Naturally, we push back against those, and are in turn accused of rejecting a compromise that was never even offered.

The rhetoric from the NRA doesn’t allow for compromise. I could literally suggest we not sell firearms to a known terrorist and someone would pipe up about our freedoms.

As a test mention they intend to enact laws already in place in your state, ones that people already follow and people will lose their ever-loving-shit over them. It’s like you removed part of their soul. At the end of the day I don’t identify with owning a firearm as essential to my existence. The reality is we could have all the guns ever made and the people in power are still there. We’re not ruled by tyrants, regardless of empty rhetoric. And it’s absurd to suggest you could fight the most powerful fighting force in the world with a black gun. Or any gun. Guns now are used mostly as a ploy to drive a wedge between people, yet the only time people threaten to use them is when duly elected officials enact laws they do not like.

Guns are a distraction to the real exchange of power, we’ve been bought and sold a hundred times over and tricked into voting against our own self-interests a thousand times over and not a single gun would have stopped that. Guns play no part in the fight for the things that would improve the quality of American by any real degree. We want a tyrant to fight because simple solutions make for a world that’s easy to understand. The fact is we’re a couple of hundred million petty little tyrants, who vote with our guts instead of our minds. We have done more damage to ourselves than any leader, it’s just easier to blame other things and fight other fights than address the hard issues.

“The rhetoric from the NRA doesn’t allow for compromise. & # 8221;

Maybe I haven’t been clear enough. I haven’t seen any compromises offered from **either** side. I haven’t seen any compromises suggested by deLeon, Feinstein, Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, or any other anti-gunner.

Are you seriously suggesting that the NRA controls them?

I haven’t seen a compromise offered in my lifetime, but I have seen many attempts to pass further restrictions that were falsely labeled as “compromise” in which we were offered nothing in return.

So pardon me when I doubt your constant demands that we “compromise”.

“the only time in US history guns have been used against the government was to defend the institution of slavery.”

Touro. The federal government up until 1861 served the Slave Power and was forcing northern states to assist the slave states in recovering fugitive slaves. Ever heard of John Brown and Harpers Ferry? That was somebody using guns against the government, and it sure as hell wasn’t to defend slavery.

Indeed the only reason the US government ever became anti-slavery was because the slave states seceded, allowing the north to dominate Congress! Not that I’m defending the slave states, their motivations were horrid, but without the secession we would have had slavery for much longer.

Ever heard of the Corwin Amendment, which Abe Lincoln supported, which would have enshrined slavery as a protected right in the constitution?

Not sure if you’re a troll or a moron. Either way responding to you is probably pointless.

I’m gonna roll my eyes and move on. John Brown wasn’t a militia, an institution or a state it was a score of men. He posed no real threat. He has a kick-ass story but stripped of it’s virtues it’s absurd to draw a parallel to that and the Civil War. Arms were taken up, well regulated militias were formed and the focus was the destruction of America in the defense of slavery.

President Lincoln supported a lot of horrible stuff to try and keep The Union from dissolving. In the end, we see what he did do, though. He played the polls just like any other president, but in the end he destroyed chattel slavery in America. Really hasn’t much to do with the point at hand though.

I’m fairly certain what you are, so we need not go into it.

“Remember, having a gun is not a natural born right, it’s not a universal law or constant. It is something society as a whole deems fit for you.”

Not according to the US Constitution which says that we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. In China on the other hand, having a gun is not a natural born right, It is something Chinese society as a whole deems fit for you.

The right to self-defense is a basic human right and a fundamental civil right. The tactic of compromise that you so stubbornly insist on has been a failure in preserving those fundamental rights.

The fact that you believe that the only rights we have are those that society as a whole deems fit for us to have is a pretty good indication of why you advocate unlimited compromise.

We’re already on the slow road to having nothing.

As I’ve said before, the anti-gunners don’t offer compromises. They’re just as much “all our nothing” as are. Worse, we’ve learned that their compromises are false promises. We still have to live with the Hughes amendment, but the rest of FOPA has been severely eroded.

No, those people flourish because of you, not n spite of you. They play into the constructed dialog. And why is that dialog constructed in such a manner, because it’s convenient to those who promote an agenda. The problem is that false dialog is a two edged sword. It cuts both ways.

We used to have a moderate, compromising gun group. Maybe you’ve heard of them, they were called the NRA.

They were taken over by “radicals” because moderation wasn’t working.

Gun owners in California have been compromising with the Leftist gun prohibitionists for years and they are well on their way to being left with nothing.

Compromising with dishonest politicians is like trying to convince a mugger to only take ten dollars out of your wallet and to leave you the rest.

Anyone who thinks compromise is the way to gain anything rather than to just agree to lose a little at a time, is a fool.

Does this actually work? I figured they’d write something into the bill to create a new class of AWs to prevent people from doing that.

If I were still in CA, I would definitely register one AR-15 as an AW and build a featureless rifle later. This is the only chance most Californians will ever have to get a registered AW.

The law expanded the definition of AW’s without creating a new class.

Once an AW, always an AW.

So yeah, once your rifle is registered as an AW in 2017, you would be able to remove your bullet button and just run it as a regular normal free-state configuration.

Also, since this is technically a fixed mag, couldn’t you have as big a mag as you wanted?

First, they just outlawed any magazine over 10rds. Período. Those millions of large-capacity grandfathered magazines will be criminally possessed come 2017.

Additionally, it was always illegal to have a semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine above 10rds. That makes it an assault weapon.

Obrigado pela informação. Is it correct that all the existing ones will become registered AWs?

The best way is for the citizens to votes these heathens out of office and replace with American Patriots. Of course, when the imbeciles outnumber the American Citizens, that will not happen.

an easy but somewhat expensive option is multiple weapons with the largest legal mags. one can use common sense or one can write encyclopedias full of rules. it is the punishment that determains how obedient people will be. like getting spanked for misbehaving as a child. you learned real quick to be good.

At first glance all these anti-gun folks just look stupid, but, actually they make good livings from this drivel.

When I lived in California I bought my guns out of state. And then when I went to remote areas to fire my guns I brought guns with me that were “Good Guns” like bolt actions or lever actions and if anyone who looked remotely like they could be any type of law enforcement approached the area where I was shooting I would put away the “Bad Guns” and get out the “Good Guns”.

But there were times where I took a chance and even at a public firing range where I fired my bad guns nobody ever seemed to notice whether of not my guns were good guns or bad guns. I don’t like doing things that are against the law no matter how stupid the law is but I’ve still refused to obey these stupid laws and just figured that the odds were against my “being caught”.

Pense nisso. How many of you Californians have been out shooting and some government agent or even regular law enforcement asked to inspect your “California-legal” firearm to make 100% sure it was “California-legal”? Eventually I solved the problem by moving out of California and starting over someplace else which was by no means easy but it was well worth it.

“Lex Mala, Lex Nula” & # 8211; a bad law is worse than no law at all.

How did you buy your guns out of state? The 1968 GCA completely forbids out of state handgun purchases (except when transferred through an in state FFL) and only allows out of state rifles & shotgun purchases when also allowed by both states. CA forbids any out of state purchases .

Actually, I need to correct myself. A person with homes in multiple states can purchases firearms in either state. It’s not exactly practical for most people.

No matter what the antis can come up with, our side can always out fox them. Maybe we could swap sides? Nah.

I like to avoid politics on this site as well. But why anyone would want to continue to live in California is beyond me. It’s bad enough here in Maryland.

As a Californian, I see these as ways for gun shops to keep selling “assault weapons”. As an American with the unalienable right to keep and bear arms, I see this as an affront and basically kissing the @$$ of the tyrant politicians who will continue to enact unConstitutional laws if we let them.

The answer in California, as seen in New York and Connecticut, is NON-COMPLIANCE.

If we refuse to register our “assault weapons”, it puts the ball in the court of these politicians. Are they then going to confiscate our rightfully owned arms? I don’t believe that’ll go over so well.

Americans are not obligated to obey unConstitutional laws….by doing so, we are giving corrupt politicians power over us.

At some point, we have to make a decision….do we give up our unalienable rights, or do we put the politicians in their place and remind them that they work for us.

It is absolutely ridiculous to have to jump through these kinds of hoops to satisfy unconstitutional, governmental, hoplophobes who got lucky enough to be elected by the stupid.

Kludges to fix problems that shouldn’t exist.

But I guess that’s appropriate given the origin of the M-16…

designed by committee to do everything, but nothing well.

I am truly in awe of how the platform has evolved into something elegant and useful.

Now if we could just get the committees to back off and leave the gains that have been made alone…

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forgot to have a beta mag on it.

Kinda resembles a Klingon disruptor.

WOW–talk about a perfect backpack, truck, or trunk gun! A HIGHLY portable and CCW-able AR. With that grip/stock it looks like we can thank John M. Browning they found a way to make an AR into Any Other Firearm! Bravo! Imagine that with a binary trigger and a 456 SOCOM drum mag. You’d not only clear the room, but the bad guy’s bodies would over penetrate neighborhood walls (of course you’ll need to duct tape the damn thing to both hands to keep it from flying out of the room too). Or for a guy who wears custom underwear, get one of these in .300 and go hog hunting nose to nose with the fat little bacon bearers. When will Demolition Ranch show us one of these in action?

THANKS, for not ever, during the last 50 years, giving us the one AR variation which might prove useful, namely,

low profile sights. Another piece of craptical junk, that looks like it’s at home in a rapper’s limo, is so much more important. Who needs to be able to accurately hit things, over a range of distances, when you can just look cool?

🙂 It would be difficult to do, because of the location of the gas tube, as with AK’s. This is one reason I still prefer the M1A and Mini 14/30 over the AR. That, and the fact that the former don’t throw hot empties at my face and shirt collar most of the time, which an AR does constantly.

They still don’t make the one thing I want from them; a left handed SCR.